Anabolic steroids??

[indulgeddepravedlust]

I just have a question. Out of curiosity, do anabolic steroids slow down the healing process of the penis or does it in any way stop its growth with pe?

[Bobo]

Stop using that shit. If You are a top olympic athlete or something, trying to break the world record, stop using them before You get caught and Your whole career goes down the sewer. If You're not on top, then using steroids is even more pathetic... what's the point? And yes, using steroids shrinks Your dick and brains and makes Your ears grow.

[Valk]

I always had small ears. Glad to see there's a solution.

[Bobo]

Ain't that a relief! :lol:

[tinytim]

Hi,

i am new around here. hello readers.

I am led to beleive that AAS (anabolic/androgenic steroids)
would help increase PE size. There is a lot of misinformation
floating around about steroids, making you dick smaller and balls etc.

Yes after 6-8 weeks your balls shrink. They get bigger again,
but at that time maybe you should be getting off cycle anyway.

They have no effect on your dick (negative). Androgenic responses
listed as side effects of gear, esp the highly androgenic substances
would be increases penis length, increases facial hair and deepness of voice.
These are all the things androgens do in your body during puberty.

No amount of steroids would make your dick bigger. But I believe combing
with PE may have a good effect on it. I am new to PE anyway but
an old hand with gear.

Dont do steroids unless you know what your doing. Androgenic / Anabolic
ratios are highly important, as well as lots of ancilleries whilest on
cycle and post cycle.

If used sensibly and in a controlled scientific approach perhaps with help
from a doctor (blood monitoring) I believe they represent no significant risk
to the average individual.

Long term use and over use lead to some of the worst conditions and
symptons you can get from drugs.

While on gear I imagine it would be hard to control your erections
while milking. If you can manage not to 'toss much (say only once per
week) man this will lead to the hardest boners you've ever had. This
alone has got to be good for pe.

[Bobo]

Dont do steroids unless you know what your doing.
:lol: How is it possible to use steroids and know what one's doing? Anyone who uses steroids have no clue what he's doing, it's never a wise move.

[Valk]

When you stop with AS your penis, just a your muscles, will probably go back to his original size. So unless you're a Professional PE Performer (PPP), whats the point?

['TheBugKahuna']

Don't knock it, till you've tried it.

[tinytim]

quote "How is it possible to use steroids and know what one's doing? Anyone who uses steroids have no clue what he's doing, it's never a wise move."

I'm not sure if this reply is serious or not.... if it is read on

Its called research. Thats how you can know what you are doing! (in regards
to steroid use) (and just about everything else)

By reading all the facts and information on AAS use, there actions
in the body, side effects, common uses etc and there is a *lot* out
there, and perhaps talking to people who use gear for first hand
information then you've got your start into the research side.

Then when you know exactly whats happening in your body and what
to take at what times and what doses and what to have on hand (read:
ancilleries) then the risks (which are still there) can be MINIMISED to
what i would consider a safe level.


I use steroids and i know what i am doing (in regards to steroid use) and
lifting weights.

"Anyone who uses steroids have no clue what he's doing" Ummmm i think
the person using the gear who has done all the research has a better
idea than someone not using them...

"When you stop with AS your penis, just a your muscles, will probably go back to his original size. So unless you're a Professional PE Performer (PPP), whats the point?"

No they dont. Muscle gained is muscle kept. I dont know why so many
people have this view... that you will go back to 'normal' after a cycle.
You'll lose a few kg's (water retention) and maybe 1-2 kgs of muscle (if that)
I personally keep *all* my muscle gains after a cycle, and continue to grow
more muscle (albeit at a slower rate. Much slower) So does everyone I know
who uses gear. I guess everyone is taught this in school or something.

And steroids wont make you big without a spot on lifting regime and more
importantly a strict diet plan being implemented.

I know i double quoted there but i wanted to emphasize the point.

Realistically gear is not that bad. You've probably been taught a whole bunch
of crap at school (i was) and read a few disaster stories that involved men
growing tits. Well yes all these things can happen but you have to be seriously
abusing it. Like big time. We are talking massive doses for extremely long
periods of time, or using totally wrong substances.

I've used gear a few cycles in the past and i will do it again. My blood levels
are completly normal (all in a very good range) and i have nothing wrong with
me. No hardened arteries, no tits etc.

Yes steroids are cheating. But i like putting on 20kgs of muscle in 10 weeks (or close to it anyway) while natural joe (who i totally respect and was myself for 7-8 years) puts the same amount of muscle on by his mid thirties and
generally no sooner.

[Bobo]

:lol: How is it possible to use steroids and know what one's doing? Anyone who uses steroids have no clue what he's doing, it's never a wise move.
I'm not sure if this reply is serious or not.... if it is read on
It is, trust me. Research never hurts, but my point is: there are always risks involved, and by doing some research anyone can learn that. That's why I don't think it's ever a wise move to start taking steroids. Why would anyone need them? Most of the steroid users are "regular gorillas" that definately do not need it, they would get big enough without the stuff too. Please tell me, what is the reason that makes taking steroids a wise move, with all the risks involved?

[tinytim]

Basically I see the value in taking gear to acheive goals faster. Wether
or not it is a wise move, i can see what you mean and well i guess since
there is an element of risk involved (a *very* small one^) so it is definately
NOT as safe as not taking gear.


^The risk is only very small if you know what you are doing re steroid
use and are doing it correctly. There are wrong ways and correct ways
to use steroids. When i say know what you are doing i mean fully
understand how everything works from lifting weights to each anabolic.

Yes there are risks involved and because of this you are safer not taking them.
Depending on your goals i say safer not better off.


I have not met one person in real life who has fucked themselves over
taking roids. I know a lot of abusers too (4-6 month cycles :shock: ) and
very few people i talk to on the net. The few that have grown tities were
doing everything completely wrong and had plenty of warning. Had they done
the research they would not of got themselves in these situations.


Okay so what makes it a wise move?

Well I can only honestly speak from my experience so here it is. I am 25.
When I was 23 I had been training natural since i was 14-15. Started at
70kgs (6"1) and at age 23 i was 94kgs. Still six one. I dont think i was
skinny anymore, being an ectomorph.

But i still wanted size. I guess im insecure. Training up to 94 kgs for me had
been near impossible. Very hard. I wondered how long it would take to
get to 100kgs, at my rate (which was not too bad) i figured 26yo or 27. Thats
realistic considiring 100kgs on my frame would look massive.

Anyway one way or another i started researching gear. I researched for about
6 months before i contemplated doing a cycle. When i did i went to my doctor
and got regular blood work (every 2 weeks) to keep an eye on my liver values
and general health.

When i finally went on cycle (an 8 week cycle) i went from 94-95 kgs to 107
kgs. The results were better than i had hoped for; i was stoked.

After cycle I continued to train and 2 weeks later i was at 105. Another 2
weeks later and i was at 107 again. And from there I went back to gaining
about 1 kg of muscle a month or so. I peaked at 110.

So for me I considered it a wise move. My liver levels returned back up to
their normal values and there was no after effects or dodgy sides.

The sides do get some people though. If you had bad acne through school,
you might get a breakout. If you had gyno through puberty, you may get
gyno again (though its rare and anti estrogens can control it somewhat). If
you cant control your aggression then you may not want to take gear. I
personally dont get aggresive at ALL, more relaxed and confident some people
do.

So yeah after this long winded reply, I had my goals which were very high and
the only way i could hit them before my late 20's (100kgs) was to take
gear. I've trained long enough to realise this. I never thought i would get
to 107, let alone 110. To reach this size would of definately taken me into
my mid thirties if not late. And i have acheieved these goals and suffered
NO bad health consequences. Therefore i consider it the wise move.

[Bobo]

Basically I see the value in taking gear to acheive goals faster.
Why are You in such hurry? Are You a professional athlete, or what is the reason to reach goals faster despite the risks involved? There is no such thing as safe steroid usage, so please stop repeating that. There are always risks.

[tinytim]

My hurry is that i wanted to be big before my mid 30's. Genetics would
not have allowed it to happen sooner. I wasn't prepared to wait
10 more years. I'm glad i didn't.


But yes ok i will stop beating the dead horse.

Steroid use is never safe. There are always risks. These risks are
magnified when the user has no clue what he/she is doing.

Just like PE. It is never safe, there are always risks. But by understanding
what you are doing these risks can be minimised.

You might say well if you do everything 100% correctly there is such a
thing as safe PE.

Thats how i feel about gear.

I'm not advocating steroid use for anyone (other than me). If you are
thinking of going down this path you'd better do your homework
because if you dont you most likely fuck yourself up. And keep
it light... not neccessarily dosage wise but rather than amount of times
you decide to use. Once you've crossed to the darkside its hard to go back.

[Bobo]

Fair enough. I know what You meant, but the way You first expressed Your words gave the impression of "controlled" steroid use being safe. It never is, and there are always risks. Be careful with it, because no matter how much You study, we still may not know enough. What's the truth today, may be totally wrong in a few years when the research has advanced more.

[Shane_Bos]

Don't knock it, till you've tried it.

Have you tried jumping off a cliff? :mrgreen

[WestLAguy]

Isn't this a moot point, as steroids are now illegal in the USA? I mean, where do guys even get this stuff? Or is this one of those things that is technically illegal, but nobody is really paying attention to? I don't know anything about it at all. In fact, I don't even know where guys got it when it was still legal.

[G-Spot19]

And why do they take it. I mean there are ways for hardgainers to gain strength and muscle. Hell i did a few years back. I have since been reduced to a pathetic 153 pds. But i tell you when you get to that point naturally without taking a steroid, it feels better. I do take nitrogen supplements and MRP's and weight gainers, but they do not make you big without you putting an effort. I have always viewed steroids as cheating and thats why they are banned from sports. I think if i reached my goals by taking a Anabolic steroid, i would feel i did it half assed. Its like if i wanted to be 9 inches long and i had a succesful surgery that moved me to 8/12 then PE'd to get to 9". Just my take on the subject though.

[tinytim]

Isn't this a moot point, as steroids are now illegal in the USA? I mean, where do guys even get this stuff? Or is this one of those things that is technically illegal, but nobody is really paying attention to? I don't know anything about it at all. In fact, I don't even know where guys got it when it was still legal.

steroids are illegal in most countries. I beleive parts of the UK are an exception, you are allowed to have them for personal use.

And they are def. illegal in the USA.

Pro-hormones which are basically steroids have become illegal (with good cause) recently over there.

[tinytim]

And why do they take it. I mean there are ways for hardgainers to gain strength and muscle. Hell i did a few years back. I have since been reduced to a pathetic 153 pds. But i tell you when you get to that point naturally without taking a steroid, it feels better. I do take nitrogen supplements and MRP's and weight gainers, but they do not make you big without you putting an effort. I have always viewed steroids as cheating and thats why they are banned from sports. I think if i reached my goals by taking a Anabolic steroid, i would feel i did it half assed. Its like if i wanted to be 9 inches long and i had a succesful surgery that moved me to 8/12 then PE'd to get to 9". Just my take on the subject though.


yes i agree they are cheating. I am a cheat. :) I'm not a prof. athlete or anything but yes yes yes if i can take the shorter route to my goals then i will.

Also roids wont make you big. You still have to put in effort. It is not a magic bullet. Although the increase in muscle *can* be phenominal without 100% effort you wont see a thing.

I dont beleive it would be possible for me to train to 110kgs (242lbs) at a low b/f without gear. I trained to 94kgs again with a low b/f naturally and i used to be proud of being a sizey natural. Natural, i peaked at about 98kgs (with a bit of fat) and was stoked with this as ive always been very skinny. But any firthur than that would of taken a long, long time.

respect to naturals still. Too tough for me :)

[hugh g rection]

The whole problem with this argument is that using steroids does nothing to the size of your penis. It makes it appear longer but does not actually change the size of it. BPE measures have confirmed this. Since the penis is not a muscle, the whole theory is bunk and garbage. The size of your penis is determined by ligaments and chambers that fill with blood, that's it. There is no mystery here, no quick fix.

Stay off the gear before you end up like Lyle Alzado, or even like Arnold and end up with a heart valve problem. If you do roids, you will end up dying early and suffering a decline in the quality of your health in your later years.

['TheBugKahuna']

Have you tried jumping off a cliff? :mrgreen

Yes. It's an insane rush.

[Vincent Darwin]

It is, trust me. Research never hurts, but my point is: there are always risks involved, and by doing some research anyone can learn that. That's why I don't think it's ever a wise move to start taking steroids. Why would anyone need them? Most of the steroid users are "regular gorillas" that definately do not need it, they would get big enough without the stuff too. Please tell me, what is the reason that makes taking steroids a wise move, with all the risks involved?

There are risks involved when you walk yo' doggy at night. There are risks involved when you drive your car to work in the morning. There are risks involved when you party on a Friday night. Please tell me, what's the reason that makes doing all those things a wise move, with all the risks involved?

I find your arguements flawed, Bobo.

If he knows what he's doing, if he's done his research, if he continues to hit the weights hard, if he continues to keep his diet in check then i say good luck to him.

Maybe he's not competing at a professional level, he uses steroids, woop de fookin' doo! That certainly doesn't make it more pathetic nor does it make him as a person more pathetic.

You don't have the first clue as to what his personal goals are. Be it size, strength, speed... It takes a LOT of damn hard work to reach your limit and then exceed it with or without the help of anabolic drugs.

On the other hand, if he is some 18 year old guy who's only just finished puberty, has been working out for 6 months and thinks it's time to move onto anabolic drugs to just try and 'get big quick', then I can agree with you.

[zwmusic]

There are risks involved when you walk yo' doggy at night. There are risks involved when you drive your car to work in the morning. There are risks involved when you party on a Friday night. Please tell me, what's the reason that makes doing all those things a wise move, with all the risks involved?

That's hardly a revelation.

Steroids side effects are well documented. The only flaw in Bobo's argument was the fact that he left it open and up to tinytim ponder and judge for himself. The fact is that the use of steroids imply in REAL health problems which may lead to death. But of course you may die when you walk yo' doggy or when you have a poo in a public toilet.

[wern]

There are risks involved when you walk yo' doggy at night. There are risks involved when you drive your car to work in the morning. There are risks involved when you party on a Friday night. Please tell me, what's the reason that makes doing all those things a wise move, with all the risks involved?

That's the same line my drug dealer uses. Do I know you?

[dividethehate165]

My take on steriods is this: Steroids can be used "safetly" without apparent side effects. BUT, its a rare occurance to find someone who knows what they are doing correctly and has the self-control to keep dosage intervals/amounts in check. Take for example, if I offered you a miracle p.e. pills that added a half inch each pill you took and you were starting off with a 2.5 incher. I said to you "dont take more than one pill every 2 months or possible side effects will occur" The average man would not take 1 pill each 2 months - he would rush to his goals thrilled with his sucess, never stopping to think about the rest of his body that is deteriorating rapidly.

So I believe for over 90% of the population on steriods Bobo is right, steroids are bad news

As for tinytim, I have respect for the fact that you have kept your health in check so far and i hope you will in the future, but i have to honestly say that my respect for you gains is dim compared to then if you gained 20kgs naturally.

Just my 2 cents, hopefully i did not offend anyone in the process

[tinytim]

http://www.lstoo.com/upload/HBO_Steroids.wmv

thing is, these side effects that are apparantly documented are not
proven in many cases.


okay lets say i do a cycle, get blood work done, eat right etc etc
come off, continue to eat right and train, then after a month
off everything would be back to where it started. All cholesterol
levels, liver values etc would be right back where they started from
(the healthy range) so then i'm just as healthy as the next healthy
guy. ONly i'm carting around a lot more muscle (which may be unhealthy)

The only real risk i could identify is the depositing of fats around the aorta
and i beleive ventricles of the heart. This is debatable wether or not it
actually occurs, but i tend to think it would with HIGH levels of drug usage.

A lot of top bodybuilders need heart surgery. But they are *extreme* users and also massive.

Anyway i gained 24kgs of muscle and about 30kgs of muscle and fat before i used gear. Took a few years. Gained about 24 more, that took just over a few months. Now i get a blood, liver funtion, kidney and fitness test and they all come back "fine" so i guess i'm healthy. Theres no way i would of hit 120kgs with a low bodyfat naturally

Sorry Hugh, gear never made my dick look bigger. Not at all. I wasnt doing PE back then but next time i cycle and PE i will keep people informed. I was simply stating that if anything it may be good for gains, because of its androgenic qualities. Another point you reminded is the ligaments, you see ligaments can increase in strength and respond well to stretching when on certain types of gear. A positive nitrogen balance in the bloodstream would also be good for rebuilding the cells in the dick i beleive. These are the 3 reasons i would say thay may have an effect.

I reccomend you watch that doco. It may be a bit biased (like me) but hey. ANd your average gear user doesn't use as much as those guys have.

[The Big Banana]

If you read Jose Cansecos book he says that growth hormone made his penis larger, but you only have his word for it.