This HB10 has ripped by balls off.

[prjav]

if you have read my posts there always something in common with every one of them: there is one HB10 that turns me into melted butter by just smiling.

we get along very well. i have introduced kino and she has taken it very nicely. she has confidence, its a hard working student, a girl with nice feelings towards others, i mean, she seems farking perfect! i know shes not, but she manages to turn my game off and touch with me in a deeper way. theres no bullSh1t, no Sh1t test, no qualification, we just enjoy being together, we talked a lot, we laugh a lot 100% eye contact and we just spend a lot of time like in a bubble.

whats the problem many will say


I think im falling for this girl.

i got separated in october(finished the divorce a couple weeks ago), i dont know if its too soon to start something but im sure as hell im not going to let this opportunity pass by.

I havent even started becoming a <acronym title="Pick Up Artist">PUA</acronym> and this is going on in my life. Im the hot Sh1t of my department in the University, im well known, ive met tons of girls and im on my way to become the MAN of the hour. Until this girl crossed my life.

BTW i would have never be able to score this quality of a girl without all the inner game things ive learned from David D and all the other <acronym title="Pick Up Artist">PUA</acronym> material ive been able to read. <acronym title="Pick Up Artist">PUA</acronym> comunity has changed my life.

I asked a <acronym title="Pick Up Artist">PUA</acronym> master i knowhttp://www.puaforums.com/images/smilies/wink.gif on facebook about what was his take on this kind of thing, like, do you guys feel like you want to settle with ms right? he told me his mentor says he only wants to have a good woman. Very interesting and deep stuff.

i dont even know what i want to ask.... i want to hear some opinions.

oooohhh fuck, does telling her: " you are very fun to be around, i love that" work against me?


i know shes not perfect, always have, shes great though. ive told myself that i will NOT make comments on her beauty. That i will bust her balls and make fun of her, and treat her like a guy friend show her who i am..... mostly have been saying to myself that i want to make her have fun and i want to have fun myself.

she agreed to go out on a date AND to study together for our next accounting exam. i told her something curious when we were walking out of class. a couple minutes later she called me and we talked for a few minutes.

:hug:

i dont know what to ask, i just want your opinion guys!!

yes scientist, SEVERE ONEITIS.

[Sabin37]

Oneitis. :D

Don't let your guard down prjav! I'm sure a big reason why she's so interested in you is because you are, as you said, the MAN in college and so many other girls like you. You must not sacrifice that status. You are absolutely right, never comment on her beauty unless you're both naked and you're about to enter her. I dunno about the "you are fun to be around, I love that" thing... I feel that's already going beyond game and into intimacy, because you are directly telling her about your feelings for her. It would depend on the situation. Definitely don't just come out and say it. Only if it would seem unnatural NOT say it.

[Louberg83]

I'm going to assume that you started being a PUA so you could meet and hook up with lots of girls. Get the ego boost and be able to brag about your conquests. Instead you found a girl that cuts through your game and you actually have feelings for. How many other girls could you run your game on and not have these feelings? 10..20...100... Look if she is really an amazing HB10 then she is all the ego boost one would need. Plus in the end, hooking up with a bunch of chicks doesn't get you anywhere, but finding the right girl does.

[The_Scientist]

Form leads to formlessness. Simply put, at some point you will have to break all of the rules that got you to where you are as long as it makes sense to do so.

Example 1 : Bruce Lee. He learned tons of forms and all of the rules of traditional Kung Fu systems and then what happened he got really damn good and created Jeet Kune Do in which there is no form and no rules.

Example 2 : Neil Strauss. That's right I assume you've read the game and in the end what happens? To get the girl that he really wants that is really fucking awesome and the only one that really matters he has to break all of the rules that got him to the point where he could talk to her and be confident around her.

Example 3 : W3. Even here at CC our good friend W3 who was the PUA extraordinaire for quite some time and thought he would never settle down read his Prague story again. He even settled down.

All I'm saying is with TRUE game there are no rules, there are no tests, there are no lines, there is no game. You are just you and you are an awesome fun guy and people want to be around you because you make their lives better and add enjoyment.

I think a lot of times it takes being a PUA first because you have to realize that you can be that guy and you have to build up a wealth of fun things to do and good ways to interact with people and get to know them. In short, if you do it right it teaches you confidence, how to have fun, and how to develop your social skills. And it makes these things a focus in your life. Usually these things aren't focuses in people lives, and people rarely take the opportunity to learn them outside of the game.

So all I'm saying is quit second guessing your self, do what the fuck you want, and then at least if you fail you did it your way and not according to someone else's rules (quite literally). Accept what they have done for you and continue to learn but don't be bound by systems and rules. Quit thinking about it and just do it.

And here is the thing if you honestly feel this way about her it will make your approach really fucking strong.

Have you seen Sinn's seminar on day game it's pretty good.

He talks about direct approaches during the day and he talks about congruency a lot. When your words and feelings match and it lends validity to your statement.

He talks about how it's only best to direct approach chicks that really strike your fancy, because if you go up to a chick and you're like "You are beautiful and just my type of girl you look like you have your shit together can I have your phone number." If you really mean it then it makes it really powerful it's like a bullshit test that you have already passed, you say exactly what the fuck you mean now matter how weird or out of place or inappropriate and you fucking mean it. If you only kind of like her and you say it then it doesn't work. Kind of like when someone talks about how he benches 300 and you just know that he is full of shit even though he might look like he can. It's the mystery of human chemistry or spirit or whatever you want to call it.

All I'm saying is do what you want to now that you seem to have confidence, are a fun guy, and have social skills let the rules go they will only hold you back from being yourself and if you strikeout I will be here to tell you that there is another one, even though I know your heart won't believe me even if your head does. I know that it will suck, but it won't suck anymore than losing her and just becoming a really good friend because you never fucking tried.

Also, really good women the ones that you want in your life don't play by the rules of the game. The game is meant to exploit the societal defects in most women their lack of confidence, their need for validation etc. but I have a really good female friend (I used to have it bad for her and I didn't take a shot), and it fucked me up because after reading all of this theory on game whenever she talked to me about her relationship with her boyfriend she was only pissed at him when he did things that deserved it and was happy whenever he did nice things for her.

So it fucked up my view of women that was one of people that if you commented them it showed that you were lesser than them and if you bought them a drink you could kiss your chances with them good-bye.

And then I looked at who had written most of the material for PUA's and most of their stories go like this I was a dork who couldn't get a girl and now I can get tons of them. It isn't written out of love for women and enjoying them it's from vengeance. And I totally respect their methods for breaking people out of their initial AFC shells and realizing that women are just people, but at the same time after that you have to realize that they are people and not demons or horses that you have to tame. Also, it is counterproductive from a business stand point and seems like bullshit if the last step of your method is to forget most of what I just taught you and go out and just be your new, better self.

Also, PUA people as mentioned above tend to swing from extreme to extreme most of them were too involved in their initial relationships and had no life outside of them so they were scared of losing it to the point where they would no longer deny their partner anything and it is impossible to be attracted to or stay in a relationship with anyone like that (I know, because I've broken up with and been broken up with over this exact point).

Especially so when the man is the weak one. We are supposed to push and lead. What is the other common PUA story? I loved this chick and she told me she wanted to wait for sec then I caught her cheating on me. Could it be because you didn't fulfill your role in the relationship and she found someone who could? I think so.

I think that they swing from this place of infinite caring and dependence on them to the exact opposite where they go to a place of infinite loathing to to the point where all affection is bad. Which works really well for getting laid, because there are way more fucked up women than awesome women and fucked up women are more likely to sleep with you.

In every system that is somewhat honest they admit that you won't get every girl that you approach, but they either never tell you why or the dismiss them as prudes or stuck up cunts. Is it not possible that some of these women are ones that know that they are awesome and don't want to deal with someone who insults them but never gives them compliments. I don't know I haven't done the research I'm just throwing it out there.

What I'm trying to explain is that if you're PUA shit isn't working and she is an awesome girl maybe she sees through it the same way that confident guys see through the games that girls play and maybe she just really likes the real you.

I know all of this sounds like shit out of a movie, but I'm a romantic, art imitates life and fuck it man if you want you can do things greater than the things in movies (half of them are based on true stories anyway).

I have spent way too much time on this post.

Good Luck man.

[prjav]

+ rep to all of you, i love you guys:hug:

WOW scientist, thank you for taking the time. Im speechless, thank you for caring for my life and putting you heart out here.

when i got divorced i said, i wanted to fuckl like a maniac. i said i wanted to meet hundreds of girls and become a pua. I also said that if Ms right came i will not waste the chance. Im not saying she is, but if she were i would not waste it.

i thought i needed to become and overhaul my whole life to be a "real" man, to be a pua and i pretty much went nuts and read tons of material. I started working on girls and testing some stuff until i became a confident guy, i became what i am today, a guy a lot of people look up to. Its amazing.

This pua material gave me the balls to approach this Hb10.... that will get a name from now on because shes something different. Shes Nelly. I did approach it to use the jealousy on other lesser girl but she was giving me sings, smiles and deep eye contact. Time has passed and ive realized i enjoy being with her beyond PUA, Beyong game, like i said, no game from her towards me, minimal if anything from me towards her, just me being the fun guy, the CONFIDENT MAN that she may want. This PUA learning journey has been life changing so far. LIFE CHANGING not only on women, everything.

worse that could happen is, she rejects me or gets upset and stops talking to me and i will be proud that i tried and i will learn. most importantly i will NOT get into a vendetta against woman.

I LOVE women, no reason to damage a single one of em.

[The_Scientist]

No problem man, I can always use the good karma in helping get my own shit worked out.

Let us know how it goes man.

[prjav]

so we talked on the phone today for a while. while she called yesterday, i did today, with the excuse that i had...real excuse though... that i needed to buy a baby shower gift and i didnt knew much about it. she took the time and like always she was a sweetheart. we talked for a while and i ended the call. went out to the place she suggested and picked what she suggested( i actually needed some female opinion on it).

i think she tried to gain approval from me today. the told me she took the day to do her hair and nails. this is fishy, it could be that she has a date, that she is doing it as a normal thing or that she is getting ready for OUR date next week. Dont know which one.

i just know that she told me she cut her hair very short. I was like FUFUFUFUFU FUCK i pretty much HATE short hair. long hair is sensual ans sexy. i was like uuhhh ummm is it shoulder lenght right now and she goes by its shorter than that, she asked what i thought, i told her i needed to see it because i could not picture her with short hair, guess what? she was lying to see if i would complain. Told me everybody asks her not to cut her hair because its beautiful(its fucking Amazing, i love it) and APPARENTLY SHE WANTED TO HEAR THE SAME FROM ME:D. she seeked approval there.

We had a mixed convo(conversation) where it was a serious topic like babies and then a more fun conversation about hair and products and things like that.


i think i could be overanalizing this. either way, tomorrow i will not call her or text her. tomorrow is the day she misses me. You know how you cannot value what you always have. And maybe ill extend it the whole weekend.

i was thinking about asking her out this sunday to watch a movie and a bite afterwards. I dont think i will though.

i dont want to hurry anything, i want things to flow the way they have to, all these feelings are amazing and if shes going thru the same i want her to enjoy all this like im doing.

[Steve Madden]

Why don't you go with your gut, take it slow, and see what happens? You get a little attached, maybe a little hurt, maybe a lot attached, maybe really hurt...it's all part of life. And life is good.

[prjav]

yup steve, all part of the learning process. well see what happens.

[prjav]

im feeling like shit right now. i would do anything to hear from her. apparently the miss me period is working on me more than its working on her. Theres also some kind of shit going on between our phones that sometimes the calls dont connect, the messages never arrive and some other shit like that. I FUCKING HATE IT. i know its my phone.

right now im feeling kinda DOWN and it sucks. i ran into a girl i was working and she was all game on me. i was like whatever, you are no match to Nelly.

i hate this shit, i will call her tomorrow as soon as i get my new cellphone(getting into a family plan, its cheaper and it will work better).

I wish i had the balls to ask her out right NOW and the luck that she would be free and accept. :(:(:(

i know ill see her on monday.

im also scared im being a little too aggresive, i know im getting too involved right now.

i read some shit on facebook, something like: Love is the most beautiful flower, you just need the courage to pick it at the most dangerous cliff.

aaaaaaaarrrgg im a fucking pussy right now:(

[Sabin37]

Don't take it too hard, man. Look at the bright side: you can now have your own custom saying! :D

[prjav]

ive officialy creeped her out. FUCK.

ohhh fuck the nicest girl ive met in years and i fark it up. i cant believe this Sh1t... wow im so fucking disappointed.

how i creep her,

we talked on class on wednesday as usual, a bit after, we went out and we talked and she had to go. i told her i sent her a message. she calls later to know about the message.

on Sat i send a message. No response

Earlier today, I sent a message, no response.

called her like 30min ago.... no response, i was going to ask her out to a movie and a bite afterwards.

fuck im acting all AFC.

haaaaa at this exact moment i have another girl i was working pretty much asking me out. i dont want to go out with her.

What should i do to the HB10 when i see her tomorrow? ignore and stay away? give her space?

i think she has someone. Thats the only thing that would explain the way shes acting or she just is scared and wants nothing out of it.


what saying sabin?

[The_Scientist]

Alright, don't beat yourself up man. Number one you don't know anything yet your mind is just driving you crazy thinking of all the worst shit possible, I suggest going out and doing something or hanging out with some friends to get your mind off of it.

Number two, no matter what the outcome there were only four possible options and you took the only one that gave you a shot. So you have nothing to beat yourself up over.

Let's review :

Option 1 : She doesn't like you and you do nothing. You don't get her.

Option 2 : She likes you and you do nothing. You don't get her.

Option 3 : She doesn't like you and you go for it. You don't get her.

Option 4 : She likes you and you go for it. You get her.

The only chance you ever had was to go for it, and who knows you still might get her.

YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING YET. CHILL THE FUCK OUT!!!!

And even if she does reject you at least you took a shot that's more than most people have ever done so fuck it and the only way to move on is to take another shot and keep taking them until one of them works out.

Here is the great part about taking chances like this.

You take one and you lose, you only feel like shit until the next chance comes around and a new girl takes your mind off the old one or you realize that she wasn't the one.

On the other hand you take a chance and win and you have an awesome girl to spend the rest of your life with. In short, there is infinite upside with limited loss so keep taking chances until one works out for you.

And just to reiterate : CHILL THE FUCK OUT!

[prjav]

i did good today. Most important win or lose is that IVE BEEN LEARNING A LOT. Ive been learning a lot about how to deal with the hb9-10s, ive learned a lot about myself and which pitfalls i have to avoid. this experience has been amazing and by "losing"(its not certain but im cutting my loses and moving on, she has to do the moves now). after im certain, ill post all the things ive learned from HB10s so that you guys can avoid it.

Maybe ill write the same things others have, i feel that all this process is a matter of finding out yourself. i made the mistakes and i learned from them. Maybe writing them wont help, maybe it will, who knows, all i know is that in order to learn and grow you have to fall and burn.

when i said i did good i meant, i was not clingy or weird, i have lots of girl coming on to me to talk and Sh1t. i also went into class, talked a bit with her and had some looks with other girl (im starting to work on a girl(hb8) im going to approach), i mean, life is good, im working hard once again and the love bug i had caught is the fark out of me body. http://www.puaforums.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

uhhhh i also have a girl that ASKED me out yesterday. Well see what happens this week.

[Lambo]

Go out with the girl! Keep it cool and don't get mentally attached. Which should be easy to do if you have more than one thing going on :wink:
I always get attached too soon, because I have no options.

Good luck!!

[prjav]

thanks.

i got my man card back and most importantly my balls, will never happen again. :D

im extremely fucking curious about what the other girl wants to talk about and what will be the HB10 reaction to my treatment. the other girl may want to talk about class and if its studying together ill get a chance to bang her, if its not ill look for a way to end up banging her. lol

[prjav]

so i finally know whats going on. i just want to hear something from the guys that really know about this because there are some areas for improvement for me and there are some areas where i have to clear some things out.

SHE HAS A BF. AND shes engaged.

my doubts: she never said she had a BF NEVER, you know how girls casually mention their bfs at least if they are ok and if things are bad the only thing they talk about is their bfs. she never said a thing. she wanted to see some pics about a trip i did and i added her in my FB and TODAY she went into adding me. when i go in, to check some things i see what i suspected, she has a BF.

on another note, she likes me, IOIs were crazy, a lot of them, still get a lot of those, a lot of smiles and looks and shit.

when i stepped it up last weekend and asked her out she probably realized it was going somewhere and decided to stop it.

why did she "forget" to casually tell me about her bf like every other girl does? could it be that i was smooth enough( i hope so lol)?

could it be physical? Being reasonable the guy is a ugly motherfucker and like ive said before i dont think im hot shit but i definetly look better than the guy. like my housemate said: he either has a big dick, money or like i said he could have some sick game or some sick luck(known her forever).

either way should i run a BF destroyer routine? should i casually work my way smoothly into a kiss or something that would make her doubt? or be a man, take it and leave her be happy with the person she chose...

[The Big Banana]

You shouldnt try to break up an engagement. Do you want to end up on an episode of cheaters?

[prjav]

why not? being on cheaters should be cool :D if im not on the bad end of the deal.

either way its not me that was moving that way... fuck it shes too hot to let it pass

[Dr. P-Evil]

just checked in had to throw my 2 cents in:


don't project love onto people you don't have a relationship with. people make that mistake all the time...including me....you build people up before they are invested in you as a partner...not as a friend...which is completely different.

i'm not trying to be cynical...it's great to enjoy the rush of a new relationship or a side one for many people.....it's an adrenaline rush....nothing else....the fun is in the unknown that we fill in the blanks with our imagination.

[Louberg83]

don't project love onto people you don't have a relationship with.
This is good advice, but I think prjav would rather project his penis on her instead...

[prjav]

LMAO ^^^ you made me laugh my ass off.

guys i got a piercing!!!! :D i finally being able to do everything ive always wanted to!!!

who cares about the HB10 i know ill meet like a thousand girls like her.

[Sabin37]

Right on.

The HB10 was just trying to enjoy a good flirt before she was officially not allowed to. Don't make a big scene because you found out she was engaged. You shouldn't care.

[prjav]

who cares now, i got to cold approach a very HOT girl in a festival here. It was crazy that i could do it without any kind of approach anxiety or nervousness. i was a little short in time and i felt like i couldnt close there so i didnt went for it. i knew i had a great time and i bet she did, she was there waiting for someone and looked annoyed and kinda sad and lonely. i hope she enjoyed it. I could see she felt good talking to me.

[prjav]

so guess who called me today and spent like half hour talking to me?

YES the HB10.

ha ha ha ha, you know what, that girls has proven me once and again that she wants me but shes confused and maybe ashamed of her emotions because of her compromise with the other guy. Now that i understand her better i can understand her emotions and make a plan on how im going(im going to, its not a possibility its a fact) to get her. She may be looking for a way out anyways.

so this happened, she was on facebook, shes never on facebook, last time i saw her logged on i didnt speak to her. I did this time, said HI that was all and she poured on me. started talking a lot, asked me why i was absent on wednesday. LOL i did that on purpose so she would miss me and she did. after a bit of talking and teasing, she was asking me to see her pics and so did i. she told me she had already seen my pics(i dont have many), she must have seen a recently added pic with another HB. it was amazing until her connection died.

two or 3 texts back and forth later SHE CALLED ME, just to let me know that her internet crapped and it was not her not wanting to talk and such. I mean WTF is going thru her mind? you are engaged and talking like this with a guy that you like and thats going nuts trying to make you fall for him? Im running my game smoothly and i have her eating from my hand, i dont know if i should look for a kiss or something or if i should just keep going and risk falling in the just friend zone.

i just know that when she has those lapses shes nuts and im not liking those at all. AND most importantly my game is not stopping for anyone, i will keep going no matter what.

[Dr. P-Evil]

she's definitely enjoying the rush. learn to cook something good and tell her you are learning to cook something or better, brag about how good of a cook u are. if she asks to try it out, tell her to come to your place for dinner and cook for her...and with her a little...drink some wine etc. if she's looking to just get a good fuck out of the way before she gets hitched, you have her ready to go! then u can always blame the wine if she doesn't respond to a kiss or stops you in the middle of foreplay.....go in for the kiss before dessert so that if she stops you before you kiss or in the middle of foreplay, so can figure out if it's no, or not right now if she sticks around for dessert when u offer. don't tell her she's sending signals if she rejects a kiss. don't apologize...just have fun with it and smile and say she's irresistible and you just had to know what those lips felt like.

i know's been like 2 weeks from your last post, but to me this is a way to put her in a position to know what she's doing without making her draw a hard line between friendliness and flirting.

[prjav]

thanks for the tips. after some time she called me today. if she likes me this much why isnt she realizing that her relationship is gone into the crapper and ends it.

either way like i said, if i kiss shes mine, ill try what you said DR P.