L-Arginine

[itsgrowing]

HI all, I have just purchased some of this stuff and was wondering, the strength is 500mg and the bottle says take only 1 a day, but there are others available with dtronger levels so would it be ok to take 2 a day? Also is it necessary to have the other L- ???? (I forget the name now) to make it fully effective?

Cheers.

[Beefeater]

I seem to recall Bobo saying 3g a day is a good dose.

So I think it's safe for 2 tablets a day.

[Bobo]

If Your pills are only L-Arginine, then it is safe to take 3000mg daily. Sounds a bit weird that the recommended dosage is only 500mg... I bet the pills include something else than only L-Arg. Please tell me everything the pills have in them before taking more than one daily. L-Arginine is ok to be taken without L-Ornithine, only L-Orn makes them both alot more effective. The best ratio of those two is 2/1, for example 3000mg L-Arg and 1500mg L-Orn.

I have loads of info about these two aminos, and in the near future I'll post everything I know about them in a new thread.

[hugh g rection]

Good to hear Bobo.

[itsgrowing]

is L-arginine, the only other ingredient is the pill casing that they come in.

cheers

[Bobo]

Ok, then it is safe to take up to six of them daily. That recommended dosage on the bottle makes me wonder... how much did You pay for it?

[Archangel]

I've added
L-Arginine and Horny Goat Weed into my regular vitamin intake.

[itsgrowing]

Ok, then it is safe to take up to six of them daily. That recommended dosage on the bottle makes me wonder... how much did You pay for it?

£7.00 for 50 tablets, Oh dear, was I ripped off?

[Bobo]

£7.00 for 50 tablets, Oh dear, was I ripped off?
Yes, You were. Every product I've seen have been cheaper than that. The most expensive ones I've bought were ~18€ (£12)/100 tablets, including 400mg L-Arg and 400mg L-Orn each. Right now I'm eating tabs that include 850mg of L-Arg and 425mg of L-Orn each, and they were 40€ (£27)/180 tablets. It's even cheaper than those if You buy it in powder form.

[BigBadBear]

I get my stuff from Holland and Barrett (http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/searchRes.asp?xs=580C358A5FB84074A794606A187ED450&searchtext=arginine&x=0&y=0). It's not the best in terms of price, but it isn't awful either.

You can get them as just Arginine or Arginine and Ornithine. Each of the plain Arginine capsules contains 500mg and there are 50 of them for £4. The Arginine and Ornithine tablets contain 500mg of Arginine and 250mg of Ornithine and you get 60 of them for £11.

It might be worth shopping around to see if you can find a better deal though, I just choose these because they're easy to get.

[itsgrowing]

I get my stuff from Holland and Barrett (http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/searchRes.asp?xs=580C358A5FB84074A794606A187ED450&searchtext=arginine&x=0&y=0). It's not the best in terms of price, but it isn't awful either.

You can get them as just Arginine or Arginine and Ornithine. Each of the plain Arginine capsules contains 500mg and there are 50 of them for £4. The Arginine and Ornithine tablets contain 500mg of Arginine and 250mg of Ornithine and you get 60 of them for £11.

It might be worth shopping around to see if you can find a better deal though, I just choose these because they're easy to get.

Thanks for that, I'll take a look.

[wern]

I just received mine yesterday and it was in powder form. That's the only available form you can get it in australia over the net. Unless someone knows how to get pills in Australia I will be forced to drink down this absolutely seedy powder.

[oldie42]

Here is what I just bought today. Liquid form...Twinlab Amino Fuel


Amount Per Serving:

Total Calories: 100
Total Carbohydrates: 11 g
Sugars: 9 g
Protein: 15 g
Thiamin (B1): 2.5 mg
Riboflavin (B2): 2.5 mg
Niacin (B3): 30 mg
Pyridoxine (B6): 4 mg
Folic Acid: 100 mcg
Cyanocobalamin (B12): 12 mcg
Biotin: 10 mcg
Pantothenic Acid: 30 mg
Sodium: 10 mg

L-Leucine: 900 mg
L-Isoleucine: 377 mg
L-Valine: 521 mg
L-Lysine: 966 mg
L-Methionine: 195 mg
L-Phenylalanine: 422 mg
L-Threonine: 453 mg
L-Tryptophan: 89 mg
L-Alanine: 1362 mg
L-Arginine: 1130 mg
L-Aspartic Acid: 1205 mg
L-Cystine: 142 mg
L-Glutamic Acid: 2026 mg
L-Glycine: 3441 mg
L-Histidine: 188 mg
L-Proline: 2223 mg
L-Serine: 553 mg
L-Tyrosine: 232 mg
PABA: 2 mg
Choline Bitartrate: 100 mg
Inositol: 100 mg
L-Carnitine: 25 mg

It doesn't have Ornithine though. I was thinking of how much of this I could take without "overdosing"...but it has so much shit in it that I don't know. Arginine is practically half of what you're taking, Bobo. How much "extra" semen can I expect :lol: No, seriously...will that be enough to give me extra?

[Spike]

That's the chemical compostion of mozzarella. :P

[oldie42]

That's the chemical compostion of mozzarella. :P

:lol: Too bad it doesn't taste like it!

[italianboi_18]

Here is what I just bought today. Liquid form...Twinlab Amino Fuel


Amount Per Serving:

Total Calories: 100
Total Carbohydrates: 11 g
Sugars: 9 g
Protein: 15 g
Thiamin (B1): 2.5 mg
Riboflavin (B2): 2.5 mg
Niacin (B3): 30 mg
Pyridoxine (B6): 4 mg
Folic Acid: 100 mcg
Cyanocobalamin (B12): 12 mcg
Biotin: 10 mcg
Pantothenic Acid: 30 mg
Sodium: 10 mg

L-Leucine: 900 mg
L-Isoleucine: 377 mg
L-Valine: 521 mg
L-Lysine: 966 mg
L-Methionine: 195 mg
L-Phenylalanine: 422 mg
L-Threonine: 453 mg
L-Tryptophan: 89 mg
L-Alanine: 1362 mg
L-Arginine: 1130 mg
L-Aspartic Acid: 1205 mg
L-Cystine: 142 mg
L-Glutamic Acid: 2026 mg
L-Glycine: 3441 mg
L-Histidine: 188 mg
L-Proline: 2223 mg
L-Serine: 553 mg
L-Tyrosine: 232 mg
PABA: 2 mg
Choline Bitartrate: 100 mg
Inositol: 100 mg
L-Carnitine: 25 mg

It doesn't have Ornithine though. I was thinking of how much of this I could take without "overdosing"...but it has so much shit in it that I don't know. Arginine is practically half of what you're taking, Bobo. How much "extra" semen can I expect No, seriously...will that be enough to give me extra?
I actually take the same stuff as you. I've been taking it for quite some time, and I'll tell you now: it's just like taking vitamins - do NOT overdose, because too much can be bad and unhealthy for you. The container says 2-3 tablespoons each day, so that's what I do - I take 3 tablespoons of it per day.

I doubt it contributed to my size though. It says not to take until you turn 18, but I've been taking it for a while as a nutritional supplement (little did I know about L-Arginine when I started taking it, though) for quite some time (2+ years on and off), and I just turned 18.

But dude, funny thing is, I was just about to post about Amino Fuel, then I saw your response.

[wern]

guys, never EVER buy the powder form of L-arg and L-orith unless you are gay because it smells and tastes like spoof.

[ArTee63]

guys, never EVER buy the powder form of L-arg and L-orith unless you are gay because it smells and tastes like spoof.

That really made me laugh!!! :lol:

[wern]

oh yeh that reminds me, I need to take my daily load.

[Shane_Bos]

Firts of all, Spoof???

And secondly, this thread was really popular at the old CC, nice to see it carried over :D

[wern]

spoof, cum, jizz, jism, load,

not another thesaurus....:mrgreen

[oldie42]

I actually take the same stuff as you. I've been taking it for quite some time, and I'll tell you now: it's just like taking vitamins - do NOT overdose, because too much can be bad and unhealthy for you. The container says 2-3 tablespoons each day, so that's what I do - I take 3 tablespoons of it per day.

I doubt it contributed to my size though. It says not to take until you turn 18, but I've been taking it for a while as a nutritional supplement (little did I know about L-Arginine when I started taking it, though) for quite some time (2+ years on and off), and I just turned 18.

But dude, funny thing is, I was just about to post about Amino Fuel, then I saw your response.

It has a citrus taste mixed with something else...not the best in the world, but bareable, surprisingly. I take 3 as well. I didn't think it would contribute to size, but I was just wondering if it would be sufficient enough to give me more ejaculate.

[zwmusic]

guys, never EVER buy the powder form of L-arg and L-orith unless you are gay because it smells and tastes like spoof.

How lovely. :lol:

[Clockers]

:lol:

[wern]

http://www.geocities.com/the_general.rm/00000044aa.gif

[oldie42]

guys, never EVER buy the powder form of L-arg and L-orith unless you are gay because it smells and tastes like spoof.


How would you know? :? :shock:

[wern]

Well I have had enough sex to be in the position of eating a chick out after fucking her without a condom. Want me to draw you a diagram? :mrgreen

[darkcrayz]

your best bet is to buy BCAA powder off the net. that is the cheapest way to go.

[Happy]

so does this stuff really make a differance in the amount you cum ?

like an extra teaspoon ? a tablespoon ? 1 qt. ? More ?:wink:

[wern]

sprinkle it on your dong

[Shane_Bos]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[zwmusic]

so does this stuff really make a differance in the amount you cum ?

like an extra teaspoon ? a tablespoon ? 1 qt. ? More ?:wink:

It does Happy. Difficult to precise the increase in the amount (I had to spunk in a container only once in my life), but I remember noticing a considerable increase just after a month I started taking L-arginine tablets.

[Valk]

more L-arginine = More cum = More tissues = more cleaning up = less time and less money.

I've made my choice. :D

[zwmusic]

You see! Less is more.

[Bobo]

I'm currently training like hell, running in the forest and pumping iron at the gym. On top of my daily protein shakes and Arg/Orn dosage, I'm taking Universal's "Animal Pak", which includes:

http://lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/advantagesupplements/animalpakfacts.gif

I'm taking one pak daily, so it's half of what that pic says. I'm also taking some extra fish oil, CLA and MSM. Haven't been sick for weeks now and my strength at the gym is increasing amazingly fast.

Nice to see this thread alive and kicking, but I'll start a new one later with some real facts and hints on the subject. Only visiting, I'll be gone for a while more... just popped in to say hello.

[oldie42]

Damn, you mean, you're taking all 12 of those pills...8 of them being fucking humongous? To be honest, you would be better off with a good multi and one or two other supplements, as Animal Pak is quite expensive, and Universal Nutrition isn't that great of a company. I've had Animal Pak a long time ago, and it was alright, but I got tired of taking so many damn pills. If it's working for you, great, keep it up!

[oldie42]

Well I have had enough sex to be in the position of eating a chick out after fucking her without a condom. Want me to draw you a diagram? :mrgreen

I never really liked unloading in my wife, unless I was trying to get her pregnant. She never did go on BC, but it didn't matter....actually, DOESN'T matter now.

[Bobo]

Damn, you mean, you're taking all 12 of those pills...8 of them being fucking humongous?
Well, I've been taking a shitload of supplements for ages already, and Animal Pak is just a simple way of getting them all in one small bag. I got tired on opening 10-15 cans every morning and counting the pills... it's so easy with AP: takes only five seconds to swallow them all. Why am I taking that many supplements? Because my job is so very straining with all the responsibilities and long days, and my training on top of all that makes me sick very easily. By making sure I get everything I need also ensures that I can safely train harder. I'm not replacing food with them, I also eat very healthy food. I also sleep well now, eight hours every night. Seems to be working, haven't been sick for weeks now and that's a rare accoplishment for me considering how my health has been recently, pure hell last year.

[wern]

I never really liked unloading in my wife, unless I was trying to get her pregnant. She never did go on BC, but it didn't matter....actually, DOESN'T matter now.

I don't like unloading in general. Even before I descovered kegelling I liked to hold it in to prolong things. Still, it is inevitable and fun :)
I like the spontaneity of not having to put a condom on

[oldie42]

Well, I've been taking a shitload of supplements for ages already, and Animal Pak is just a simple way of getting them all in one small bag. I got tired on opening 10-15 cans every morning and counting the pills... it's so easy with AP: takes only five seconds to swallow them all. Why am I taking that many supplements? Because my job is so very straining with all the responsibilities and long days, and my training on top of all that makes me sick very easily. By making sure I get everything I need also ensures that I can safely train harder. I'm not replacing food with them, I also eat very healthy food. I also sleep well now, eight hours every night. Seems to be working, haven't been sick for weeks now and that's a rare accoplishment for me considering how my health has been recently, pure hell last year.

That's good. Glad to see that Animal Pak is working for you. You're right, it doesn't take long to take all the pills, but I just got tired of it after a while.

[BIGOKE]

To Wernstrum

I think in Oz you might get a product called Amitone (tablets) which got about 4 ingredients including Arg and orth. There is also a delicious protein shake with 22 Aminos in it 8 essentials and 12 non essentials. This can be used as a meal replacement for weight loss and still supply your daily aminos, or as a meal supplement for weight gain or if you are currently deficient in aminos. The 8 essentials are the building blocks of protein and the non essentials are enhancers or catylysts for different metabolic functions. The products are distributed through private individuals through Network marketing. Try a search on the web for Neo Life, or Golden Neo Life Diamite or GNLD Australia. They should be able to assist you with a distributor near you. By the way these products are from USA and available worldwide if yr'e interested then search the net. I personally use amitone and like the results. By the way Amitone also promotes weight loss. As many countries have different laws about supplements the names I have given may be different in your country.

[wern]

Hey thanks matey I will look into it after the weekend.

[jocko]

I haven't posted in a while, but I thought I would post what I've researched about these aminos. i found some pretty good stuff. Bobo may disagree with some of this, but i looked good and hard for consistency in my findings, so I hope this comes through as my educated opinion and NOT FACT.

It seems, as far as I can tell, that you shouldn't need These supplements until you are at least 30. The body doesn't start declining in HGH production until then. So if you're younger then just forget about it. it could have adverse effects. But I smoke a lot and drink alot of beer, so I am trying to compliment that with the supplements at 29. I haven't been sick in months, which insane, because I usually get sick quite often. It boosts the immune system, and apparently it's working.

I've also found that although Bobo claims that 3 grams is enough(I'm not saying he's wrong), I find repeatedly that to get the most optimal effect, 10 grams is needed. This has to happen on an empty stomach, 3 hours after or one hour before a meal. Carbs can have a negatve effect on this as well. So stay away from heavy sugar content when taking the Aminos. It's hard to find time in the day when a completely empty stomach occurs, but I started waking up in the middle of the night to pee and take 6 pills then.

I wouldn't think that taking this supplement before you are 30 would do much for your penile growth. if you are already producing HGH at a regular level, you don't really need it to heal. It's us older fackers that need the HGH.

Anyway, I will report any loss of wrinkles or gains when they come.

BTW, I injured myself doing a hold. Note to intense workouters: Warm up. I didn't one time, and I payed the price. Gonna wait a couple weeks and go again. Trying to hit tht official 8.5 mark.

Go L-arginine! Defense!....(Girkie)

[BIGOKE]

Hi Jocko
I can see everyone is quite interested in L arg. You raise some valid points. However everthing needs to be taken in context. HGH is a hormone that helps to develop the body from birth to adulthood. Correct that the hormone diminishes and dissappears by about 30. But L arg and orth both are still needed for other functions in the body besides growth. The body needs all the aminos in hundreds of different combinations for various processes mainly for the synthesis of new tissue. I read somewhere that the body virtually renews itself every 5 years or so. Cells die and new ones are made to take their place. Also some younger people may be deficient in aminos and supplementation might boost them. Taking them wont hurt, so long as you don't overdose. BTW I notice nice results since I started not only on my dick but also general fitness, muscles and immune system.

Cheers

[Spike]

But I smoke a lot and drink alot of beer, so I am trying to compliment that with the supplements at 29.
I don't suppose cutting down on the poisons has occured to you?


but I started waking up in the middle of the night to pee
That doesn't usually happen until you're 60+ :lol:



I read somewhere that the body virtually renews itself every 5 years or so.
I read it was 7 years, but maybe that's why some people live longer/look younger than others - if your body can renew itself 12 times then some folk will peg it at 60 while if you can stretch the renewing over 9 years then you'll live to 108.

[BIGOKE]

I read it was 7 years, but maybe that's why some people live longer/look younger than others - if your body can renew itself 12 times then some folk will peg it at 60 while if you can stretch the renewing over 9 years then you'll live to 108.

Spike
Imagine... a new Dick every 5 years.
Damn! how come the babes start to look so haggard after every 5 - 7 years if the body is supposed to renew itself???

[jocko]

I don't suppose cutting down on the poisons has occured to you?


That doesn't usually happen until you're 60+ :lol: .

regarding the top: of course. i'm exaggerating and joking. I realize certain habits I have now are situational. Once I get back into the 9-5 job market, i won't be bale to continue my lifstyle. i fully realize that nothing will keep me from aging If I keep up all the tobacco and beer. leatherface, here i come! (Don't tell me you don't ingest/intake mutiple poisons, Spike)

Concerning the bottom: This happens to me now. I am drinking CONSTANTLY. I will always have a water or a seltzer water(or a beer) with me at any time. Needless to say, I wouldn't call frequent visits to the bathroom an overactive bladder if you are always filling it up.

[Valk]

Why in the fuck would you wanna go back to the 9-5 job market?

[jocko]

Hi Jocko
I can see everyone is quite interested in L arg. You raise some valid points. However everthing needs to be taken in context. HGH is a hormone that helps to develop the body from birth to adulthood. Correct that the hormone diminishes and dissappears by about 30. But L arg and orth both are still needed for other functions in the body besides growth. The body needs all the aminos in hundreds of different combinations for various processes mainly for the synthesis of new tissue. I read somewhere that the body virtually renews itself every 5 years or so. Cells die and new ones are made to take their place. Also some younger people may be deficient in aminos and supplementation might boost them. Taking them wont hurt, so long as you don't overdose. BTW I notice nice results since I started not only on my dick but also general fitness, muscles and immune system.

Cheers

HGH should never completely dissapear naturally. that would mean disease/death.
I don't understand why you are responding to me with this....
They are essential in health. Did I say they were not? If I said not to take it, I was only saying one might not need it for HGH until they start to gradually produce less -- at age 30.

[jocko]

Why in the fuck would you wanna go back to the 9-5 job market?

Who said I wanted to?

[Valk]

Ah I see, you have no choice.

[Bobo]

I've also found that although Bobo claims that 3 grams is enough(I'm not saying he's wrong), I find repeatedly that to get the most optimal effect, 10 grams is needed.
3 grams is the safe dosage for long term usage, not the optimal dosage for short term intake. I'm personally currently taking 5-6g daily (+ 2,5g L-Ornithine) for two months to speed up things at the gym, and something is definately happening. I've gained more strength and muscle mass in six weeks that I used to gain in six months + my fat-% has gone down pretty fast. But, as I've said before, doses bigger than 3g shouldn't be taken in long term usage.

[Valk]

So how much can you benchpress then? :wink:

[Bobo]

I really don't know. I never test my max strength, too big risk for an injury then (messed up my left shoulder once when benchpressing with max weight). I only train to stay fit, not to break records. :wink:

[Valk]

I dont mean 1 rep max. Just the weight you use for benchpressing. I dont measure my max either.

[Bobo]

Well, I don't do much benchpressing, it's more like one of my warmup exercises before my actual chest training with dumbbells. When I do benchpress, I now do 2-3 sets of 8-12 reps with ~ 80-90 kg on the bar, and then I continue with 25-30 kg dumbbells on a 35-40 degree inclined bench. I used to get up more than that, but haven't trained seriously for years, until recently.

How about You?

[Valk]

I'm a weak bastard.
The most I ever benchpressed was 35 kg in total! :shock:
So two 17.5 kg dumbells in each hand.
Its not only my chest thats weak but almost all my muscles.
I remember when I first started squatting.
With 15 kg on my shoulders I couldnt get more then 12 reps.
My main goal now is to build up strength,
and I think if I can double my strenght I can expect some nice muscle gains as well. If I keep eating right, of course.

[wern]

How much do you weigh Bobo? Whatever you can bench should be viewed as a % of your weight rather than as an absolute number unless you are a body builder.

[Bobo]

Valk: remember to eat enough protein, it's the key to success. One protein drink 15-30 minutes after the workout, and then some night protein before bedtime after a gym day. If You can train with 17,5 kg dumbbells (8-12 reps), You are definately able to push up alot more than 35kg while benchpressing, my friend!

wernstrum: I weight ~82 kg (~180lbs?) at the moment, which includes some excess fat around the waist area that doesn't seem to want to burn. My fat-% is 14 according to a recent electric measurement. I'm 183cm tall (six feet) with long arms which seem to have an effect on my bench pressing numbers. My "wing span" is 190 cm meaning my arms are longer than normal -> makes bench pressing more straining.

[Valk]

So you recommend barbell bench presses over dumbells? Because I can take more load that way?
Hmmm, I might get me some protein powder then. Now I rely mostly on cottage cheese.

Also, is that 14% low enough to show your abs, or too high?

[Valk]

I'm 183cm tall (six feet) with long arms which seem to have an effect on my bench pressing numbers. My "wing span" is 190 cm meaning my arms are longer than normal -> makes bench pressing more straining.

For long limbed lads (I'm 6'3" with long arms and legs) its more difficult to lift heavier weights in general. The distance we have to travel and the longer lever in for example curls makes it harder to lift heavy weight then shorter guys.
Advantage: The tall, muscular guy-look is the best IMO.

[Bobo]

Yep, it's pure physics... Easy to see when comparing results with shorter friends. I still prefer being tall. :cool

BTW, the fact that it's more difficult for us to lift doesn't mean our muscles would be weaker. Just try to lift 5kg at the end of a 50cm stick, then try lifting it with 3m long stick... same strength, longer limb -> more difficult.

If this didn't make sense, then it didn't.

[Valk]

Yes, that was what I was trying see with that long lever with dumbell curls.
That exercise explains it the best.

[Clockers]

You guy's are lucky, i've always wished i was 6 foot tall or a little more i'am only 5-9" tall with out having shoes on, so i guess that's not that bad. But some people measure there self's when wearing shoes i don't.

[Dong_Johnson]

Just wondering, do these suppliments cause a large increase in HGH?
Though i think you need a massive surge of HGH before what im thinking about happens.
Google 'acromegaly' and you'll see why i'm asking. . .

[Dong_Johnson]

"Acromegaly is a hormonal disorder that results when the pituitary gland produces excess growth hormone (GH). It most commonly affects middle-aged adults and can result in serious illness and premature death. Once recognized, acromegaly is treatable in most patients, but because of its slow and often insidious onset, it frequently is not diagnosed correctly.
The name acromegaly comes from the Greek words for "extremities" and "enlargement" and reflects one of its most common symptoms, the abnormal growth of the hands and feet. Soft tissue swelling of the hands and feet is often an early feature, with patients noticing a change in ring or shoe size. Gradually, bony changes alter the patient's facial features: the brow and lower jaw protrude, the nasal bone enlarges, and spacing of the teeth increases.

Overgrowth of bone and cartilage often leads to arthritis. When tissue thickens, it may trap nerves, causing carpal tunnel syndrome, characterized by numbness and weakness of the hands. Other symptoms of acromegaly include thick, coarse, oily skin; skin tags; enlarged lips, nose and tongue; deepening of the voice due to enlarged sinuses and vocal cords; snoring due to upper airway obstruction; excessive sweating and skin odor; fatigue and weakness; headaches; impaired vision; abnormalities of the menstrual cycle and sometimes breast discharge in women; and impotence in men. There may be enlargement of body organs, including the liver, spleen, kidneys and heart."

Ref - NIH Publication No. 02–3924, June 2002, http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/endo/pubs/acro/acro.htm


Note the bold parts - could be useful in PE ? ?

[wern]

You guy's are lucky, i've always wished i was 6 foot tall or a little more i'am only 5-9" tall with out having shoes on, so i guess that's not that bad. But some people measure there self's when wearing shoes i don't.

Well I am only 5'5" so count your blessings laddie

[Clockers]

:lol: :lol: I did. :lol: :lol:

[hugh g rection]

"Acromegaly is a hormonal disorder that results when the pituitary gland produces excess growth hormone (GH). It most commonly affects middle-aged adults and can result in serious illness and premature death. Once recognized, acromegaly is treatable in most patients, but because of its slow and often insidious onset, it frequently is not diagnosed correctly.
The name acromegaly comes from the Greek words for "extremities" and "enlargement" and reflects one of its most common symptoms, the abnormal growth of the hands and feet. Soft tissue swelling of the hands and feet is often an early feature, with patients noticing a change in ring or shoe size. Gradually, bony changes alter the patient's facial features: the brow and lower jaw protrude, the nasal bone enlarges, and spacing of the teeth increases.

Overgrowth of bone and cartilage often leads to arthritis. When tissue thickens, it may trap nerves, causing carpal tunnel syndrome, characterized by numbness and weakness of the hands. Other symptoms of acromegaly include thick, coarse, oily skin; skin tags; enlarged lips, nose and tongue; deepening of the voice due to enlarged sinuses and vocal cords; snoring due to upper airway obstruction; excessive sweating and skin odor; fatigue and weakness; headaches; impaired vision; abnormalities of the menstrual cycle and sometimes breast discharge in women; and impotence in men. There may be enlargement of body organs, including the liver, spleen, kidneys and heart."

Ref - NIH Publication No. 02–3924, June 2002, http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/endo/pubs/acro/acro.htm


Note the bold parts - could be useful in PE ? ?


The small boost l-arginine provides would not cause anything like that, acromegaly would be impossible to cause intentionally. You are talking about something that requires incredibly high levels of human growth hormone.

[Dong_Johnson]

Glad to hear that, i read some more on it and it turns out that some bodybuilders inject large quantities of HGH into their bloodstream, they must be who the warning was aimed at

[Bobo]

True, L-Arginine only boosts the bodys own hormone production, and that means much smaller quantities than those crazy bodybuilders inject into their bloodstream.

[Bobo]

So you recommend barbell bench presses over dumbells?
No, I didn't say that. Only tried to make You feel better... and that 14% isn't quite enough at the moment, been eating like hell lately.

[Valk]

You failed miserable in your attempt to make me feel better. I still feel like shit. :x :wink:

I consider 14% quite high for someone who runs every day. Can you still see your abs at 14%?

[Bobo]

I can see my abs, but they're not as visible as I'd like. I haven't been running as much as I used to, been quite tired lately... and I've gained some weight. Not sure if that test was too accurate, it was one of those electrical thingys... doesn't matter anyway.

[Joma]

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also look into Maca
the plant has 6 natural sterols in it so it could help penis growth
also good for body building.

[BIGOKE]

Heya Valk!
If you want to boost your upperbody strength then do push ups. Not the regular ones done on your hands and toes. Kneel on your excercise mat and hold yourself upright on your hands wider than shoulder width. DO a normal pushup. The trick is to force the centre of gravity through your pelvis while maintaining a straight back. This exercise is easy on the arms in the beginning. But after a few sets of 15 reps you start to feel it work. Do 4 sets to start with and increase to 6 aftr a few weeks. You'll see the difference and gain some strength. Sorry that my advice is so late only picked up on this thread today. :(

[Shane_Bos]

So you recommend barbell bench presses over dumbells? Because I can take more load that way?
Hmmm, I might get me some protein powder then. Now I rely mostly on cottage cheese.

Well i was doing some researching on L'arginine after hearing it can lower body fat % and come across this post from Valk. Id just like to say that you definitely want to do some dumbell exercises and push ups are great for pecs aswell, epecially the ones Bigoke described. Also, protein is essential! A shake after your workout does wonders.

If you know all this already then just forget about this. Just trying to help.