Difficult PUA/relationship situation challenge

[The_Scientist]

Alright, here's the story.

There's this girl that I've liked for a while, she's almost all of my classes here at the university and as such we've become sort of good friends. One day, before we started talking I looked at her and thought, "That's the type of chick I can see myself marrying someday." Then we became friends and it turns out that she was almost exactly like I thought she would be. Then I found out that she had a boyfriend and completely backed off and we have just been friends for about a year, or so. Last semester, she got engaged to her boyfriend and last weekend they broke up. This was a serious relationship for her, like her only real relationship, they've been dating for like 4 years and living together for 3.

So with all that said, how should I take myself out of the friend box, and into the potential mate box? Really though, I would prefer to take a shot at dating/fooling around or whatever about next semester, because of money/time issues, and to make myself better before then.

So I guess the real question is this, how do I not make a move on a chick for three months, but put myself in position so that she thinks about me in such a way, then move across the state for three months, then move back and make a move on her?

Difficult I know, I have my own ideas, but you guys are crafty devils. What do you think?

[The_Scientist]

Best answer gets reps for your hard work and ingenuity. :mrgreen

[PepeLePew]

Ok, so she broke up with him last weekend and you are still taking all your
classes with her right? Well obviously you don't want to jump right in with
this chick since she was in a serious relationship for 4 years and engaged
during that time as well. If you still have classes with her keep talking to
her before and after class for a week or so. Then suggest hanging out.
Listen, though chicks need a little time, they also need to get their mind
off the past and move on, and most likely if she likes you she will be up
for hanging out with you. When you ask her to hang out...really make her
feel like it is a 'hang-out' type of situtation, don't bring up anything with
the word 'date'. Just hang-out...let her get back comfortable with hanging
out with a guy a lot that isn't her boyfriend. Invite her to a party, suggest
you can pick her up, suggest studying after class with her...and we know
these study sessions usually always end up as talking sessions for the most,
part...just make sure she or you DON'T BRING ANYTHING up about her EX.
If she does quickly CHANGE the subject. You don't want her bringing
back any negative thoughts...that stuff is all in the past, time to move
forward and have happy thoughts...happy talks, so don't allow her to talk
about him, which she might since he was such a big part of her life
for the past 4 years of her life. Something you could say is for example
just cut into her conversation about her ex-bf and say, "I understand, I
had a rough breakup before, I couldn't get her off my mind...but then I
realized I need to stop thinking about her and the past, appreciate what
we had but understand I had to move forward with my life in the present."
Or some shit like that, probably a bit shortened...but she'll get the picture,
and if not just tell her let's not talk about 'that', let's have a good time.

Another thing besides the study after class or later thing, is after class you
chit-chatting as you walk out and say something like ya you about to grab
a bite to eat at the student union or whatever, "I just love their fruit shakes,"
or whatever, "Have you ever had one? No...omg they are so good. You
should grab one with me, if you're lucky I'll let you pay for both." :wink: Or
some shit, you get my point.

Once you 'hang-out' with her for awhile bring up the subject about movies
that are currently out or coming out.

Examples:
You: "Oh, I can't wait for that movie [blank] to come out."
HB: "OMG, me too blah blah blah"
You: "Definately, blah blah blah I love the series"

OR

You: "Yea, me and a couple of friends saw [blank] last weekend. I didn't
know what to expect, but it was really a great movie."
HB: "OMG, blah blah blah, I heard it was good too. I want to see it."


But here's the thing, don't suggest seeing it with her right at the end of
those conversations or she'll know you set it up that way. Just on a random
night text/call her reminding her of your conversation and if she'd like to go
see a/that movie with you and some friends and you could pick her up.

Another thing if you are talking to her after class, just simply ask her what
she is up to this weekend...she'll tell you what she has planned or sometimes
that she doesn't know yet...then she'll ask you what you got planned, here
is your thing...never that you don't know either, you got to make her feel
like you always got something planned and are busy and fun...even if you
got nothing planned...just make something up! Ex. "Oh my friends, are
having a big party at their place this weekend." Whatever, just so she
sees you are doing something and see if she'll show interest. Then if she does
want to go to the party or hang with you just text/call her up a few hours
before and tell her your friend's plans changed so there won't be any
party, but suggest something else...and most likely she'll be up for it
since she was up for meeting you at the party or whatever in the first place.

Ok, now for the big stuff you need to do and realize. You can't do this "not
make a move for 3 months with this chick to close out the semester...have
her think about you and only you, come back for next semester and then
get with her for real only WHEN I MAKE MYSELF BETTER" phase...no this
isn't going to work. You either wait a week or 2 to let her adjust to her life
without this guy then start making your move. If you don't do this:

1. You are going to go into the 'friend-only zone', most likely forever.
2. She is going to meet someone else during this time of you trying to
better yourself and she'll unavailable AGAIN.
3. She is going to become a lesbian and only have sex with a guy when it
involves her girlfriend and PepeLeMotherFuckingPew in a hot 3-some.

So you need to make the move soon man. You can't risk this not make
a move thing until later and hope for success. That's living in a dream world
and you'll be thinking about her and your plan for the future when you will
make your move on her, and then guess what...week before next semester
begins she finds a guy and you're fucked. No you got to make it happen
sooner then later my friend. Most girls love to hang with new guys right
after they break up with their EX's to try and get their mind off him, as well
as some do this to make this EX's jealous when he sees all the new pictures
of her out having a good times with guys on Facebook/Myspace. And yes,
some will really only be trying to make their EX's jealous, but eventually
they will move on from that and try to find somebody else or have some
fun fucks.

Really I need a little more detail, do you know what they broke up? Who
broke up with who. Knowing this stuff will help you gameplan and estimate
the percentage of her still having lingering thoughts to get back with this
jackass.

Hope this helped for now...

[Baseballer8]

Everything Pepe said is right on. I'll add a little to it. First off right now you are in the friend zone, but now that she is single she will be redefining those zones. What you need to do is show her a good time and let her join you in your oh so awesome life. Really if you just go after her, you will look like the dick that only wants rebound sex. If you just include her in your friend set she will naturally gravitate towards you and soon see you as a potential mate. However you can't treat her like a princess, but rather you need to have the idea that you couldn't care less whether she is with you or not, because you are giving her the opportunity to have a good time. Now don't be a douche to her but don't dote on her every word.

Problem with her is if she was living with the guy it will be a long drawn out process of one of them moving out and getting all their shit straight. If she is like 99% of other chicks she has a strong inclination in her mind of wanting to get back together. This is not so much because she really wants it but rather that she misses the comfort that he provided. This is where you come in. As her outlet you have to break her cycle of everything that is normal. Find out her favorite places to go, then never go there and only go with her to new places where the only memories she has are with you. Think of fun new things to do, stuff that will really change her scenery. The more you give her a new reality the more distance you put between her and her ex and the less chance she will go running back when he comes crawling back.

Act fast but you have to come in under the radar and be strong but slow in your intents. If she is ready and you do your job right, she will be jumping you first.

[PepeLePew]

Find out her favorite places to go, then never go there and only go with her to new places where the only memories she has are with you. Think of fun new things to do, stuff that will really change her scenery. The more you give her a new reality the more distance you put between her and her ex and the less chance she will go running back when he comes crawling back.

Exactly! Very true words here. Give her a new
experience. Do stuff she has never done and/or wouldn't ever do, most
likely this is stuff you may never have done and wouldn't ever do as well.
But this position would be a little further in your stage with her.

We better be getting updates. We never hear many updates from the guys.

[The_Scientist]

Ok, so she broke up with him last weekend and you are still taking all your
classes with her right? Well obviously you don't want to jump right in with
this chick since she was in a serious relationship for 4 years and engaged
during that time as well. If you still have classes with her keep talking to
her before and after class for a week or so. Then suggest hanging out.
Listen, though chicks need a little time, they also need to get their mind
off the past and move on, and most likely if she likes you she will be up
for hanging out with you. When you ask her to hang out...really make her
feel like it is a 'hang-out' type of situtation, don't bring up anything with
the word 'date'. Just hang-out...let her get back comfortable with hanging
out with a guy a lot that isn't her boyfriend. Invite her to a party, suggest
you can pick her up, suggest studying after class with her...and we know
these study sessions usually always end up as talking sessions for the most,
part...just make sure she or you DON'T BRING ANYTHING up about her EX.
If she does quickly CHANGE the subject. You don't want her bringing
back any negative thoughts...that stuff is all in the past, time to move
forward and have happy thoughts...happy talks, so don't allow her to talk
about him, which she might since he was such a big part of her life
for the past 4 years of her life. Something you could say is for example
just cut into her conversation about her ex-bf and say, "I understand, I
had a rough breakup before, I couldn't get her off my mind...but then I
realized I need to stop thinking about her and the past, appreciate what
we had but understand I had to move forward with my life in the present."
Or some shit like that, probably a bit shortened...but she'll get the picture,
and if not just tell her let's not talk about 'that', let's have a good time.

Another thing besides the study after class or later thing, is after class you
chit-chatting as you walk out and say something like ya you about to grab
a bite to eat at the student union or whatever, "I just love their fruit shakes,"
or whatever, "Have you ever had one? No...omg they are so good. You
should grab one with me, if you're lucky I'll let you pay for both." :wink: Or
some shit, you get my point.

Once you 'hang-out' with her for awhile bring up the subject about movies
that are currently out or coming out.

Examples:
You: "Oh, I can't wait for that movie [blank] to come out."
HB: "OMG, me too blah blah blah"
You: "Definately, blah blah blah I love the series"

OR

You: "Yea, me and a couple of friends saw [blank] last weekend. I didn't
know what to expect, but it was really a great movie."
HB: "OMG, blah blah blah, I heard it was good too. I want to see it."


But here's the thing, don't suggest seeing it with her right at the end of
those conversations or she'll know you set it up that way. Just on a random
night text/call her reminding her of your conversation and if she'd like to go
see a/that movie with you and some friends and you could pick her up.

Another thing if you are talking to her after class, just simply ask her what
she is up to this weekend...she'll tell you what she has planned or sometimes
that she doesn't know yet...then she'll ask you what you got planned, here
is your thing...never that you don't know either, you got to make her feel
like you always got something planned and are busy and fun...even if you
got nothing planned...just make something up! Ex. "Oh my friends, are
having a big party at their place this weekend." Whatever, just so she
sees you are doing something and see if she'll show interest. Then if she does
want to go to the party or hang with you just text/call her up a few hours
before and tell her your friend's plans changed so there won't be any
party, but suggest something else...and most likely she'll be up for it
since she was up for meeting you at the party or whatever in the first place.

Check, we hang out a lot before class, and we talk about tons of shit, never her ex or anything like that though, just fun stuff. But the thing is she is pre-med and shit and because of our major, and because we've known each other for a while, we both know that we don't do shit but study and what not. I've already demonstrated that I do shit besides that, but nothing that she would be involved in. One of her main complaints was that her ex didn't do anything and didn't know what made him happy. So I went out of my way to list shit that I did as a driven motivated individual, i left PE out though. Also, the studying idea is awesome it's worked for me in the past with other chicks, but we've basically established a precident of studying in large groups, so any deviation would be noticed.


Ok, now for the big stuff you need to do and realize. You can't do this "not
make a move for 3 months with this chick to close out the semester...have
her think about you and only you, come back for next semester and then
get with her for real only WHEN I MAKE MYSELF BETTER" phase...no this
isn't going to work. You either wait a week or 2 to let her adjust to her life
without this guy then start making your move. If you don't do this:

1. You are going to go into the 'friend-only zone', most likely forever.
2. She is going to meet someone else during this time of you trying to
better yourself and she'll unavailable AGAIN.
3. She is going to become a lesbian and only have sex with a guy when it
involves her girlfriend and PepeLeMotherFuckingPew in a hot 3-some.

So you need to make the move soon man. You can't risk this not make
a move thing until later and hope for success. That's living in a dream world
and you'll be thinking about her and your plan for the future when you will
make your move on her, and then guess what...week before next semester
begins she finds a guy and you're fucked. No you got to make it happen
sooner then later my friend. Most girls love to hang with new guys right
after they break up with their EX's to try and get their mind off him, as well
as some do this to make this EX's jealous when he sees all the new pictures
of her out having a good times with guys on Facebook/Myspace. And yes,
some will really only be trying to make their EX's jealous, but eventually
they will move on from that and try to find somebody else or have some
fun fucks.

I know, that's nothing I haven't told myself, I just didn't want to accept it.



Really I need a little more detail, do you know what they broke up? Who
broke up with who. Knowing this stuff will help you gameplan and estimate
the percentage of her still having lingering thoughts to get back with this
jackass.



They broke up basically because she was tired of being in a relationship with him, and wanted to know what it was like to live alone and enjoy college and was scared of regretting it forever. Also, because he was jobless, unmotivated, and "didn't know what made him happy." IDK who broke up with who, I think him with her.

I think overall it was a case of a guy getting too attached and not having a life outside of her, which made him seem lame as all hell, and a case of fear of missing out on lots of experiences on her part.

[The_Scientist]

Exactly! Very true words here. Give her a new
experience. Do stuff she has never done and/or wouldn't ever do, most
likely this is stuff you may never have done and wouldn't ever do as well.
But this position would be a little further in your stage with her.

We better be getting updates. We never hear many updates from the guys.

Hell yeah you're getting updates, you're my boys.

And how the fuck do I propose doing something with her presumably alone, without making it seem like what it is?

[PepeLePew]

You just got to try it anyway. Have a feel for it being a good time and just
go for it, or you'll never know and regret it. Just keep talking to her...I mean
when you guys talk is there ever any flirting or blushing from her part? If not
you need to flirt and joke around more with her, throw in some sexual joking
flirty stuff around. See if she opens up to it.

The situation with her being bored with him never doing anything and wanting
to live a college life should put you at good odds to just fooling around/laying
her and not having to deal with her getting bf/gf emotionally attached.

You got to try to schedule a study session alone sometime, without the
others. You got to find a way. Say you miss one and really would like her
to help you out with some extra stuff.

You may have been talking about a lot of stuff with her, but really she
only has SEEN you study with her. She as heard you do other stuff,
but has NEVER SEEN that part of you actually. You got to make it happen.

[The_Scientist]

You just got to try it anyway. Have a feel for it being a good time and just
go for it, or you'll never know and regret it. Just keep talking to her...I mean
when you guys talk is there ever any flirting or blushing from her part? If not
you need to flirt and joke around more with her, throw in some sexual joking
flirty stuff around. See if she opens up to it.

I honestly don't know about the flirting and what not. I don't think I have ever flirted with her, because for the majority of the time that I've known her I've been hyposexual to her because I knew that I liked her, but didn't want to come onto her, because that is a sensitive issue with me and also because I didn't want her to think that I was into her like that. I mean I've talked a bit about having sex with other chicks or just random sexual things, but never anything that could be considered flirting or anything, so how the fuck do you make that transition without it being obvious?

The situation with her being bored with him never doing anything and wanting
to live a college life should put you at good odds to just fooling around/laying
her and not having to deal with her getting bf/gf emotionally attached.


That's all shit that she says, but I don't know if she means, because she also said that she partied alot in high school and now has no desire to. So I don't fucking know about that shit.


You got to try to schedule a study session alone sometime, without the
others. You got to find a way. Say you miss one and really would like her
to help you out with some extra stuff.

You may have been talking about a lot of stuff with her, but really she
only has SEEN you study with her. She as heard you do other stuff,
but has NEVER SEEN that part of you actually. You got to make it happen.

That last point is a good one. I need to think of a non-threatening activity that shows that I have value. I'll think about that.

[The_Scientist]

I think I'm going to go with hiking. Talk about how I can't wait until it gets warm and what not so that I can hike, build up to it a bit and then ask her so that it doesn't seem out of the blue and akward. And she always bitched about how her ex was fat and didn't want to do anything physical, and she used to run cross country. So the outdoors and physical activity is something that she probably misses and it shows what she could have with me but not him?

[PepeLePew]

Another thing? Where do you guys study at? In the library? If so suggest
a change of sceniro for everyone, like your apartment clubhouse...tell them
parking won't be a pain like it is on campus and have it at your clubhouse
area. Then you guys will always be able to study their with less distractions
and at the end of the study session you can suggest for her to grab some
pizza or whatever at your place, or jump in the hottub...she doesn't
have her bikini with her? Oh well, tell her panties and bra, same thing.

Do you have her digits? If so...if you want to be brave and really spark
things after a while...at one of your study sessions when you guys aren't
really studying much but mostly procrasinating and talking, well when that
seizes and everyone tries to get back to reading/studying send her a text like
this:

You: "Let's play a game."
[SHE MAY DO 2 THING HERE...RESPOND BACK TO YOU IN PERSON, OR
BACK THROUGH TEXT...IF IN PERSON IGNORE HER LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW
WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT THEN SEND HER THE SAME TEXT "So, do
you want to play a game this time?" Now she'll hopefully play along.]
HB: "Sure, what kind of game?"
You: "Text-game...who do you think in our group has hidden tattoos or
pierces?"
HB: "Lol, ummmm Karen...probably a tattoo and some pierces."
[Then you guess like what Karen has, what type of tattoo, or where the
piercings or whatever...this is just a stupid example cause it's late and
I'm not thinking clearly...but you see how it works, you could text about
anything and have a good time with it and then move onto her, saying you
like her necklace, she saying thank you, then you NEG/tease her right
back about it...whatever you see the picture]




Oh yea, and make sure to try and sit next to her in your study sessions.
And work kino...touching, bump elbows, gentle push her when you are
joking, high fives, etc. Get her comfortable with your touch and you'll
have a much better chance.

What you need to do when you're really talking to her is NEG her a lot.
Obviously you are joking, but teasing her hard on lots of stuff, but not
everything. If she plays along you know she is feeling you.

And after any tests hit her up on the phone after to see how she felt about,
it and say you're hungry and suggest that it would be great if she came along.
Girls will always want to talk about how they feel they did after
a test...good or bad. Something about it, it's a period of easy vibing
because everyone is just relieved that it is over with and they can take
a break for a second.

[PepeLePew]

I think I'm going to go with hiking. Talk about how I can't wait until it gets warm and what not so that I can hike, build up to it a bit and then ask her so that it doesn't seem out of the blue and akward. And she always bitched about how her ex was fat and didn't want to do anything physical, and she used to run cross country. So the outdoors and physical activity is something that she probably misses and it shows what she could have with me but not him?

Lol, nice. Bet her you could outrace her even though she did cross country.
Then suggest, well how about hiking part instead. What you not up for it,
lazy...I thought you liked to be physically active. Come on I like people who
are alive, and on the go. Not sitting around on their buns being lazy.

Neg her.

[The_Scientist]

Actually, we usually studied at the apt of her and her bf and only once in the library. I don't have an apt. I live in a dorm like a bitch.

[The_Scientist]

It's sort of odd because for me negging would be nothing, I neg everyone. Seriously, if I gave her a compliment she would be surprised as hell, I usually just give her and pretty much everyone shit.

[PepeLePew]

I honestly don't know about the flirting and what not. I don't think I have ever flirted with her, because for the majority of the time that I've known her I've been hyposexual to her because I knew that I liked her, but didn't want to come onto her, because that is a sensitive issue with me and also because I didn't want her to think that I was into her like that.

See this is where you got to change yourself. You need to start being
the flirty kind of fun guy all the time...make it you. You know you want to
be flirty but you hold back for some reason, don't hold back just go for it.
Become that guy, don't worry about you coming on to her. You need to
be that flirty fun guy all the time, with everyone. Ugly fat chicks, other
race chicks you aren't attracted to, your friends...everyone. So everyone
thinks of you as that fun guy...that's Van Wilder guy...then you just pick
and choose who you want. Why is this good...even with fat chicks?
Because it gives you good practice communicating with everyone, no matter
who or what they look like...even if you are only chatting to ugly chicks, it
will atleast be a little easier to chit chat with the hotties then if you
hadn't been talking to anyone.

Now since you haven't been flirted or anything...idk you got to come up
with something that seems explosive and fun about something that has
happened in your life that others would seem interested in. Some funny
made up story perhaps of a gay guy hitting on you at a club...the key is
to get really detailed on the story, like you are reading it from a book so
they/she can really imagine it. Have some sexual shit in there to make it
more funny and get her in a sexual mood thinking about you. After the
story you guys get back to regular whatever chit chat and studying and
then chit chatting again and just flirt with her...not just her though
everyone in the study group...well not flirt with the dudes but just joke
you get it...no homo. Make sure to smile a lot when talking to her...and
really look her in the eyes.

[PepeLePew]

Actually, we usually studied at the apt of her and her bf and only once in the library. I don't have an apt. I live in a dorm like a bitch.

Then this is a great situation for you! Stay longer studying then everyone
else, or after she leaves stop by her house, or ask her if you can bring
something out in her apartment. Whatever, get in her place and tell her to
give you the tour. They got a hot tub at her apartment?

Don't worry about the dorm thing, Steve said he was at one too...yea it
sucks but you do what you got to do. It's not as bad as me, I transferred
away from a party school I love and moved in with fam at same time to
help them out and have been stuck living with them in these bad economic
times trying to finish up school. And I live 45 minutes from my campus
because of it...so really I'm missing my final college life years now. But all
that is another story, I blew some choices I could have made and learn
from them.

[The_Scientist]

In our social circle I am the fun guy, I'm the one that brings up outrageous shit usually sexual in nature. So I guess there is already an atmosphere of sexuality in most of our conversations at least in groups, but usually she doesn't comment on it she just laughs.

[The_Scientist]

Then this is a great situation for you! Stay longer studying then everyone
else, or after she leaves stop by her house, or ask her if you can bring
something out in her apartment. Whatever, get in her place and tell her to
give you the tour. They got a hot tub at her apartment?

Don't worry about the dorm thing, Steve said he was at one too...yea it
sucks but you do what you got to do. It's not as bad as me, I transferred
away from a party school I love and moved in with fam at same time to
help them out and have been stuck living with them in these bad economic
times trying to finish up school. And I live 45 minutes from my campus
because of it...so really I'm missing my final college life years now. But all
that is another story, I blew some choices I could have made and learn
from them.

Right now, she's living with her mom, but she's looking at getting a new place soon. So, we actually have no place I think I'm supposed to help her move though which is a plus, but there will be several other dudes there minus, but I will be the only viable one which is a plus.

[Kefitzat Haderech]

I disagree with Pepe. You should leave her alone and ignore her for at least 3-4 months so she will se that she misses you and that might get you out from the friend zone.
If she just broke up with her boyfriend she will probably look out for a rebound and not for a long time boyfriend, especially not someone from the friend zone.

If you take my advice I also recommend you to put a close eye on her (perhaps through a friend that you trust enough to tell him about your feelings) so she won't get to close to someone else. If that happened forget my advice and tell her how you feel immediately.

[PepeLePew]

In my opinion that is some really bad advice.

1. He isn't going to totally ignore her because he has classes & has a study
group with her in pre-med that is pretty much a routine.

2. He wouldn't mind a little friends with benefits right now with her
that he could later escalate to bf/gf status.

3. Ignoring her for 3-4 months & keeping a close eye on her or having a
friend keep a close eye on her so she doesn't get with anyone else is just
creepy as hell and pure loser/chode status.

Again, maybe it's different for where you live in Israel, but that would not work for
him in the U.S.

[Kefitzat Haderech]

Maybe ignore wasn't the right word, perhaps not showing any emotions toward her is a better description. I think that the scientist should do what he thinks is best for him and I would be happy to be informed about how it goes.

[The_Scientist]

You're right in a way, but if I were to leave her alone completely then, she would only think of me as a friend and not at all in the way that I want her to. Your strategy would make sense if she already had some romantic feelings for me, but the odds are that she doesn't because she was just in a long relationship, so if I don't make any move then I will not be longed for, just forgotten.

At the same time, it's important to not seem too interested or come on too heavy because that would creep her out or drive her away or cause her to think of me as something that has control over instead of an intellectual/emotional equal.

It's a fine line. That's why there has been as much shit written about the pickup game as there has been, but for the most part it boils down to confidence, and what not. The only thing is that the pickup game is designed for men who want to go out and get with a hot chick or chicks that have some quality. There are lots of these so if one doesn't respond to the game then another one will and if you fuck up no big deal the sea is full of fish. I on the other hand only want one girl. Traditionally this attitude is dispelled as weak and toolish, because investing that much in a girl you barely know is stupid, and because they are after something different than me. Never the less, I am who I am and it's not a usual pick up situation, I know her and know that I like her, I also know that we are good friends. So the question isn't how do I approach a chick, demonstrate confidence and value, and score a number or second meeting. My question is, how do I go from being a friend to a mate. Which there isn't much of a precedent for in the pickup game because everything in the game goes from meeting -> dating/fucking, and a large part of it is aimed at avoiding the friend zone, not correcting from it.

Fuck I'm rambling.

Basically I think there are three questions.

1 : How do I change the nature of our relationship from friends to something more?

2 : How do I introduce sexuality into our conversations without it being akward? More specifically not sexuality as a topic involving random people, but her sexuality.

3 : How do I get her into a situation without a bunch of other people being there?

[The_Scientist]

I've been thinking, there's another problem. How do I introduce her sexuality into a conversation without somehow her bringing up the person with whom she's had the majority of her sexual experience, her ex?

[The_Scientist]

UPDATE :

So, she called me and wanted to have dinner, but I was in BJJ so I couldn't answer, then when I called her back, she was driving home. So when she got home she called me, and at first it was mostly about her break up, then it got on to her and how she was doing and more fun casual stuff.

Good sign?

[PepeLePew]

Sounds pretty good so far. I mean how'd it get to the point of her trying
to call you to have dinner? Is this something you all usually do? If so that's
perfect, one on one alone time right there.

[The_Scientist]

Nope, actually never before.

But she told me that she used to have dinner with her bf all the time, and when it's dinner and she eats alone she gets sad and she was on campus and I live on campus.

[PepeLePew]

Dang, so you were pretty happily surprised with that call huh? Too bad you
were at BJJ while she wanted to eat with you. This hopefully is a good sign,
I mean she likes you...it's just which like...only friend like or want to blow
your Pepestukcan someday like. I mean, does she have a lot of girlfriends,
I'd think she'd call one of them instead to eat with her if she doesn't like
you somewhat.

[The_Scientist]

She has lots of friends that are girls, and they always offer and stuff. Like girls do, you know, give a hug call me if you need to talk about anything ....

But, we're the only two of our type, if that makes sense in our group. We are quite similar, especially in our past and the people we hung out with before college.

[The_Scientist]

Hey PePe, what would be your top 5 ways to get a chick to think about sex, I talk to that girl tomorrow, and I'd like to get her thinking about it. What are your ideas, I have some of my own but you seem to have thought of all this alot more than me.

[PepeLePew]

Okay, let me think for a minute. Had just got back to studying & just
watched video & read the article of those 4 guys that had been stranded
at sea. Sad story.

I'll get back to you in a few with a couple conversation ideas.

[The_Scientist]

Awesome, thanks. Holy Shit! You're only 9 away from 1000.

[PepeLePew]

First off, always make sure you are displaying good body language. Imagine
what the girl is seeing you look like. In movies I always notice how guys
like Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, etc. are using their hands, leaning on something,
facial expressions, voice tone & volume going up and down to express what
they are talking about, etc...everything. Smile a lot, laugh...real laughs but
not too much. And kino any chance you can get...especially early...when
you first see her tomorrow try to give her a hug....do you every do this
with her? Maybe not, and if not what I was about to suggest the hug
and quick peck on cheek may seem awkward if you haven't already been
doing it...but luckily for me I do this all the time we chicks friends no matter
what...it's like a Spanish thing, lol and no I'm not Spanish. But if you have
been doing the hugging hello then try to quick cheek peck and if she says
anything act like you didn't even notice you did it. Tell her you usually do it
all the time, it's like an automatic thing and if she isn't comfortable with
that then that's fine with you...tell her she probably doesn't even deserve
free pecks from you anyway, lol...she'll probably chuckle back "HEYYY!!"
or some cute little stupid thing like that.


Ok, that for now without much thought...let me think some more...hmmm, check in a few minutes.

[The_Scientist]

I always do the first part, or rather I always have since I read about it and why you should so I do. I always seem super-confident, smart, etc.

Nope, I don't hug her ever, we don't usually touch at all. Mostly because I liked her and she had a bf so it would have been awkward for me and her, and her boyfriend was way over-protective.

What's a good way to ease into physical contact?

High fives would seem awkward and lame, handshakes between us would just be ridiculous, randomly acting like I'm punching her shoulder or something during a joke would be lame. I do however, say all the time that I'm going to punch her, like after she says something stupid or something, so that could be a good one now that I think about it.

[PepeLePew]

Yes, that sound good. So go for it. And when she fake cries tell her I told
you I'd get you someday or whatever. Idk, I always halfed-hugged chicks
with bf's, mostly when they weren't there however, lol, though I have done
it a lot with the boyfriend their when they are really good friends and it's
just a very welcoming hello!

You definately need to start touching in some way that just seems natural
so she can become more use to you and comfortable with your touch. When
she says something funny or witty, reward her...tell her, "I liked that, 5 points
for you." She'll ask 5 points...what is that all about, it's just a little reward
system, start doing it all the time. Anytime a girl does something dumb or
whatever give her negative points, just look at her with a your funny
awkward expression and express, "Negative 20." I learned this later on in
pickup as a really good thing, I do it around my guy friends to here and
there. It's funny. Actually back in high this guy I know who is pretty fat
and never even kissed a girl to this day use to always you a point system
and it was witty as hell. He is one of those guys that is really popular
with everyone, that everyone like and chicks like to hang around but he
never tries anything with. Give her a couple negatives here and a few
positives there, but don't overdo it. Like give her a positive or negative and
pat her on the side of her shoulder/back.

Okay, let me keep thinking...I was you to read this for now and also so I
can reach 1,000 shortly. :cool

[The_Scientist]

Only six away, ridiculous. You whoring bastard.

[PepeLePew]

Back to what you asked before, moving the conversation into a sexual one,
well this is one that can turn into it without her realizing your doing it. First
start out by talking about her or your friends that you both know, what's new
in their lives, who they are hooking up with (this can lead to
long detailed conversations that are fun), and this can lead her into thinking
about sex...plus this is usually more interesting than talking about classes,
your major, and about how the sports program is doing.

Before I forget...when you touch, just do it...don't look for her approval,
or it will look like it was setup and turn awkward...it's got to be like you
did it without thinking, it's just an automatic natural thing you do.

Always be dominant...like even in your study sessions, never ask them if
they can do something, just tell them to do it like you expect them to.
Ex. "Can you please help me with this problem?" WRONG, but instead "Here
help me with this problem." It may seem rude reading it, but you know it's
the way you deliver it. Simple stuff like this.

For now on with new chicks you meet, regardless if they just in friendzone
give him the half-hug and peck on cheek. Not just for them, but others
seeing this see that you are a cool and comfortable confident guy and
they may be more open to meeting you.


More to come.

[PepeLePew]

Back to more reward system. Other then points if she does something good
tell her, "You've won me over." It's something else simple. Even better is
playing games likes we are divorced, married, you get this, I get that
such as: “Okay, we are engage. Where should our house be? (Other
examples: We are divorce, okay I keep the cat you get the kids, etc).
Stupid stuff like this when the mood and conversation is right, when their
is a lot of laughter going on and you guys are overall just being silly.

More touching...hmmm...sorry man I'm so random all over the place, it's late
and getting tired. Here is a little something I learned from pickup artist
BradP, using thumb wrestling effectively...goes something like this:

Put your hand out like you're going to shake her hand. When she puts out
her hand, start thumb wresting her. Don't say a word. After you beat her,
give her a little "so-so" hand gesture. If she refuses to thumb wrestle or
thinks what the hell you are doing tell her something like, "I'm gonna be on
ESPN8 'The Ocho' tomorrow in the thumb wrestling championship and I
really need to practice. I wasn't gonna tell you this, but I used to be on
the Olympic Thumb Wrestling Team."

Again, seems silly but it's how you deliver it. Chicks know I'm always just
being goofy and playing around with them and they play along and think
it's funny...no one else does that with them. You got to think of all the
games that you use to play when you were younger...no matter how
silly are cool again. Hell I haven't tried this, but I bet I could get a chick
to play pencil break of slaps with me if I tried.

[The_Scientist]

That first one would be great, if she hadn't just been broken up with, she talked about how depressed it was having to seperate all of the shit out, and how her bf is taking the cats and shutting off the utilities. It's sort of depressing, so I'm going to avoid that one for now, to try and keep her mind off of him and more on me.

[PepeLePew]

Yes, definately not now but further down the road.

[The_Scientist]

Yup. Congrats on 1000. Anymore advice PePe the wise?

[Baseballer8]

She is bound to ask you about BJJ. You can talk about it and then volunteer to teach her something every now and then, I suggest you start with guard :wink:

Every time I have shown a girl something to do with jits, it starts off as a normal lesson and an hour later the sexual tension is way up and clothes are off.

[PepeLePew]

Yup. Congrats on 1000. Anymore advice PePe the wise?

Thanks man, sorry I had missed this post. I'll try to post some more when
I can. But it's gonna hard to get her thinking sexually or in sexually state
without just doing what has been suggested...I mean there are other
things but they may not be the best to use in this situation with her
just breaking up with this guy and you previously knowing her. Best way
to get her thinking sexually is just kino as early as possible and get her
comfortable and just talk naturally and have a good time wit her. I like
BB8's suggestion of the BJJ...get her involved and show her the move.

When you talk about things, anything you have to try to tell them like you
are writing a story in a book...with lots of details, this is the same when you
could explain something physically like with BB8's suggestion. Anytime I
tell stories I tried to get as detailed as possibly...sometimes too detailed
and make sure the girl knows I'm doing it on purpose...it could only be a
story that could be told in less then 25 words, but I make it go on for
minutes with indepth detail. Such as when I say what somebody else did
or said I'll do voice impersonations of that person, girl or guy and it's great.
Chicks love that stuff. You can just tell the quick facts of a story to your
guy friends, but with chicks you got to go in deep, details and physical
demonstrations. BB8's suggestion would get her involved and lots of
touching. Guide her body gentle, but show her you are dorminant.

[The_Scientist]

I had already thought of the jits idea, it would be really easy to parlay into it because of my recent unfortunate injury. Thanks for the help.

[PepeLePew]

Let us know how it goes with her today.

[The_Scientist]

It was ok, nothing special. I got to talk to her a bit after class, but only in the context of our group of friends. I made her laugh alot, and teased her some but that was it, nothing special. Friday is usually the day when I spend the most alone time with her, so I'm going to work out a couple conversation topics for then. Not sure exactly what though. Any suggestions?

[The_Scientist]

Alright I promised updates, and here they are. Mostly positive a bit of negative. We hung out today, just me and her for like 8 hours. It was totally unplanned, I just went with her to look at some apts., then we went back to her place, ate dinner, went for a walk to some stores and the mall, then came back and talked. The conversation was light and fun for the most part, I managed to put alot of sex into it, but in a fun joking non-creepy way. She talked about her ex a bit.

I might have pressed further but, earlier she was talking about some other guy asking her out for drinks and she said that she turned him down because she wasn't ready for that yet, and I respect that. So, I guess for now I'm just putting myself in good position?

Any thoughts?

[Baseballer8]

Ehh its a tricky situation you are in.

She says she's not ready for anything but you are in a good position, however if you stay there too long you will just be her awesome friend. That then leads to her telling you about the new guys she is meeting and basically you are her BFF to use chick terms, and we all know that guy never gets a piece of the pie.

Keep the interaction cool but maintain the sexual tension. Escalate your touching over the course of time and control your proximity. Basically what you need to do is create attraction with her. Its one thing to be an awesome guy, its another thing to be that awesome guy she wants to jump right there. Make her have fun and do things that bring her close to you. When you want to tell her something, make it something funny but whisper it to her in her ear so 1) it is something special between the two of you and 2) brings you in close to see how interested she is in having you close. You being able to touch her hair is another sign that she is gaining interest in you, maybe just a little sweep it away from her eyes kind of move.

I am sure Pepe will pick up here because I seem to just be rambling.

[PepeLePew]

I was gonna pretty much say the same thing BB8 hit on. I actually was on
the phone chatting with this chick...or letting or blab blab along and trying
to read your post at the same time, lol more so reading yours then listening
to her, lol. But then BB8 pretty much hit it for you.

Have you got any kino in at all yet? If not you need to, BB8's suggestion is
a good one.

1. You may unfortunately already be in the "Just-Friends-Zone". I've been
through a lot of these before a few years ago, listening to a hot chick,
trying to agree with them and be different then that other guy so I could
hook up with the chick and be with her...but what happened? Nothing, I
was only a guy friend to console...a too nice of a guy. A FRIEND. :evil:

2. She may have just threw that other guy notion out there, to test you,
see how you respond because she wants you to say you want to be that
guy, well not say it...but actually show her. Lead her, touch her. If not
then you're in the "Friend Zone" already. You should be able to tell, which
one by the way you told you, looked at you, the way she was throwing
her emotions.

3. Quit letting her talk about her ex-bf at all cost. If she brings him up,
simple just stop her, look her in the eyes like you are serious and you mean
well and say, "Hey...[now engage in strong dominant eye contact] let's talk
about something else," or "Listen...[eye contact] forget that, (then
blah blah whatever else you want to talk about to chance the subject)."
Happy thoughts.


You got to have a honest feeling by now...right now if this chick has any
feelings for you other then friend feelings. If you don't know yet, then
their probably isn't any and your just going to be her friend forever. But
if you feel that she is having some feeling and attraction for you then you
are currently just blowing it by not make an aggressive enough move,
kinoing kinoing KINO KINO...KINO, got to get her comfortable with you,
hell you got to get comfortable with her...comfortable with yourself
touching her.

[The_Scientist]

I was gonna pretty much say the same thing BB8 hit on. I actually was on
the phone chatting with this chick...or letting or blab blab along and trying
to read your post at the same time, lol more so reading yours then listening
to her, lol. But then BB8 pretty much hit it for you.


Yeah, he said alot of what I was thinking it was a solid post. no doubt.


Have you got any kino in at all yet? If not you need to, BB8's suggestion is
a good one.


A little bit of touching not much else. I'm sort of doing it in stages I think.

Stage 1 : Talk to her alot
Stage 2 : Start talking about sex
Stage 3 : Have alone time with her

That's where I'm at right now, next stage :

Stage 4 : Start touching her.


1. You may unfortunately already be in the "Just-Friends-Zone". I've been
through a lot of these before a few years ago, listening to a hot chick,
trying to agree with them and be different then that other guy so I could
hook up with the chick and be with her...but what happened? Nothing, I
was only a guy friend to console...a too nice of a guy. A FRIEND. :evil:


I don't think so, I mean there is a ridiculously high danger of this happening because of the nature of the situation. I mean there is no doubt that I started in the friend zone, but things have changed I think. The way she looks at me is different I think, the way she acts, the things she talks about, we had never hung out outside of studying before last night. And it was unplanned but still she asked me to do everything. Like to go look at apts., to help her pack, then she asked me what I wanted to do so we went walking and some stores. I guess the only thing I have to go on is feeling, but that can be clouded by my own feelings and hope, but usually I can read women pretty well, and I think that she likes me alot, but truly isn't ready. She hasn't really entirely accepted that she's broken up yet, but I think once she gets her own place and a couple of weeks go by things will change.


2. She may have just threw that other guy notion out there, to test you,
see how you respond because she wants you to say you want to be that
guy, well not say it...but actually show her. Lead her, touch her. If not
then you're in the "Friend Zone" already. You should be able to tell, which
one by the way you told you, looked at you, the way she was throwing
her emotions.


I don't think so, because she brought it up a couple times later in different ways. Like we were looking at lingerie or something and talking about it and I said something about her buying some or something, and she said that she wasn't ready for that stage yet. Stuff like that. And her mom sent her a text to make sure that I knew that she didn't date off the rebound or something like that. So, I don't think that it was a test. And I brought it up sort of, the conversation went like this. She was talking about a guy who asked her out to drinks, and to see how she felt about it I said. Wow, that would like a date or something. And she said, yeah it really would be and I don't think I'm ready for that. Now, that I read it that conversation doesn't sound terribly good, like she's talking to me like she would a chick, but this was an exception to the vast majority of our conversations, and this guy is no threat at all. And, she actually tends to be fairly conservative at least about sex, so I consider the fact that she is talking about sex with me very good.


3. Quit letting her talk about her ex-bf at all cost. If she brings him up,
simple just stop her, look her in the eyes like you are serious and you mean
well and say, "Hey...[now engage in strong dominant eye contact] let's talk
about something else," or "Listen...[eye contact] forget that, (then
blah blah whatever else you want to talk about to chance the subject)."
Happy thoughts.


The way that she talks about him is sort of odd, for a long time it was just that she didn't want it to end, and that he's an ass and what not. But now her comments about him seem to be more rational, thoughtful, and hopeful. Now, she comments alot about things. Like enjoying her new freedom like walking last night she never would have done with her ex because he was overprotective, and that she can now live life for herself. And also, that the more she thinks about it it is more like they just grew apart, and it might be good that it happened. We also talk about it far less, and she never brings him up directly, he usually just comes up because of something that we talk about, like he's in a story (which is understandable, because they were together for like 5 years so naturally most of the stories would contain him in it) or something that we do seems odd because she doesn't have to ask if it's ok or something weird like that.


You got to have a honest feeling by now...right now if this chick has any
feelings for you other then friend feelings. If you don't know yet, then
their probably isn't any and your just going to be her friend forever. But
if you feel that she is having some feeling and attraction for you then you
are currently just blowing it by not make an aggressive enough move,
kinoing kinoing KINO KINO...KINO, got to get her comfortable with you,
hell you got to get comfortable with her...comfortable with yourself
touching her.
Yes, I think she likes me as something other than a friend, no I don't think she's ready to pursue those feelings. No, I won't make an aggressive move like that, because she's honestly not ready, and it wouldn't feel right at all to her, I know. So, I will start kinoing the next time I have a chance, and then upping that like a mofo, and trying to increase/maintain an air of sexuality. Then in 2 weeks/ a month/ whenever she's ready I'll go for it.

Sorry I rambled alot, but I find that typing things here is a good way to just think about them, and you get helpful advice in return.

But overall, yes I like her, yes I think she likes me, no she's not ready to do anything, no I won't force it, yes that's a bit of a dangerous strategy, but at the same time it's the only one that I have and it just sort of feels right. So, I'm going to start kinoing like a mofo and most importantly keep her thinking about sex quite a bit when she's around me. I think those are the most important things. Kino, so that when she's ready both she and I feel comfortable doing it, and then have her in a sexual sort of mood when she's around me so that I don't fall into the friend zone. Which is basically BB8's advice, it's just always good to confirm it yourself.

Thanks guys for listening to me think and your help, really.

[The_Scientist]

Also, I was just doing some math and I am 100% on the spending alone time with a girl that I like to close percentage, so that bodes well for me. Also, all of the girls that I have closed with were my friends first, so who knows, maybe it's just my niche in the dating world. The friends -> close specialist, doing what no one thought could be done.

[JaredK]

Gives a whole new meaning to the Scientific Method!!!!!!:saint:

Soon you're going to start proving theories for us.

What you're going through is hopefully what I will be going through......It sucks just as much when you're not clueless.

[The_Scientist]

I hope its a much easier road for you man. It sucks, I feel like we would already be at the very least engaging in some sort of kissing type business if not more, if only there wasn't this massive shadow of her breakup looming overhead.

[The_Scientist]

Hey PePe, any kino ideas?

I've just been trying to think of ways that I could touch her, and then sort of rank them in order of personalness and comfort, and then think of how to get them to come about.

I've got hugs, punches, accidental brushes, handshakes, high fives. What else is there?

Any more advice? You guys usually come up with really good stuff, or reinforce my ideas.

[PepeLePew]

My bad for late reply. Wanted to save your thread for last...best for last
you know? lol.

Dang just read a lot to catch up. Okay, I would say her asking you to help
her pack would not be a big thing guys chicks usually need guys to help
move stuff and will just get any guy that is willing...but you listed all that
other stuff like apartment searching, clothes shopping, etc. so the help
packing fits in with it. Good. And what's up with her mom texting her that,
so her mom knew she is hanging with some other guy...does her mom know
you? Maybe she's talked to her mom about you...which would be good,
or I'm not just thinking and her mom wanted to see what she was up to
and she told her she is hanging out with a guy, thus sending that text.
Good mom though, lol.

Okay, I see what you saying about the stories and him being mentioned in
them...that cool, I just meant if she just starts talking about him specifcally
out of no where. She needs to keep her mind off him or she'll have small
thoughts about getting back with him...no matter how wrong he did her
or whatever.

Yea, I wasn't say to touch up her thigh and show her you mean business
that quick...but just little unnoticeable touching that seems like you
didn't even think about it. I really wish you'd already been doing some
kinoing already...you'd be in better placement right now...but oh well
can't fix it and got to move forward with what you have currently.
Definately the ones you mentioned...little hug greetings...I mean what
you doing now, just when you see each other say hi and smile and move
on from there...I can see that being the case in a library but now you're
hanging out with her...half hugs are normal now when just hanging out
with her alone and greeting her. Maybe bring up an opinion question sometime
to her...opinion question like what do you think about spanish cultured
people kissing people's cheeks and hugging upon greeting, even when
it's someone they've never met before. Maybe makeup an old lady that
you know or just met that does this all the time to people or did it to
you upon first meeting and you were thinking like wtf should I kiss her cheeks
back as well or what? lol, get her opinion on it, then later on just give her
the half hug good bye...see if she brings up your opinion question then, lol,
and just reply back, ha...I wasn't even thinking about it, but I guess you're
right, got to get my practice in.

You really need to start getting these hello & bye half hugs in, they are
very simple, don't seem like much, but can be a powerful starting base.
It works well for me, but I start doing them off the bat A.S.A.P. when
I know a chick...with the kiss on cheek included. If they make a comment
on it I just say, what I'm Spanish it's a normal thing I do or something,
even though I'm not Spanish at all they know I'm just joking around. But
back to you you didn't start this out and are alittle behind but can still
regain ground.

Did you do the bjj demonstration yet? Punches to arm sure, hell I'd throw
in a slap to ass (not palm side but fingernail side) but a little down the
road when she is more comfortable...I always do this fingernails out
handslap...actually it stings a little but chicks love it and try to get me back
by doing it do me. How about stupid silly random thumbwrestling game
over some ice cream? lol, always do this stuff with you're doing something,
you can't just be talking sitting down doing nothing and be like hey let's
thumbwrestling...not as good.

Let me think some more about this kino stuff for you, break for now. lol

[The_Scientist]

My bad for late reply. Wanted to save your thread for last...best for last
you know? lol.

Dang just read a lot to catch up. Okay, I would say her asking you to help
her pack would not be a big thing guys chicks usually need guys to help
move stuff and will just get any guy that is willing...but you listed all that
other stuff like apartment searching, clothes shopping, etc. so the help
packing fits in with it. Good.


The thing about it is that she already had almost everything in the apartment packed. We didn't pack shit while we were there. We just hung out.


And what's up with her mom texting her that,
so her mom knew she is hanging with some other guy...does her mom know
you? Maybe she's talked to her mom about you...which would be good,
or I'm not just thinking and her mom wanted to see what she was up to
and she told her she is hanging out with a guy, thus sending that text.
Good mom though, lol.


Yeah, it's because we hung out for like 8 hours just me and her, and her mom kept texting her alot, because she lives far away and feels bad for not being there for her daughter, so she texts her alot so that she doesn't get lonely. And she just mentioned my name when her mom asked what she was doing so ...


Did you do the bjj demonstration yet? Punches to arm sure, hell I'd throw
in a slap to ass (not palm side but fingernail side) but a little down the
road when she is more comfortable...I always do this fingernails out
handslap...actually it stings a little but chicks love it and try to get me back
by doing it do me. How about stupid silly random thumbwrestling game
over some ice cream? lol, always do this stuff with you're doing something,
you can't just be talking sitting down doing nothing and be like hey let's
thumbwrestling...not as good.

Let me think some more about this kino stuff for you, break for now. lol
No, I forgot about that shit, some of those could be good, but it's still awkward as hell. And in due time, stage by stage my friend. Things are going well overall though I think.

Also, yeah, this thread does have ridiculously long posts.

[PepeLePew]

You guys should try to go out on the town with some friends...does she
drink? Maybe you just need her to loosen up a little more, drinking would
help...but maybe should be out of the picture cause you really seem to
like and care for this girl. Even if you doesn't drink just try to get a night
out with her and some friends of hers & yours, or just hers.

I was thinking palm reading. I do this sometimes, but you're in a different
situation right now with this chick. Maybe something later done the road.
I don't even know how to palm read, really it's all fake and just a bunch
of different versions people have...I just make it up as I go along. You
probably won't want to do this but I'll just post it now for further reference
for you down the road when if the time becomes right. Here is something I
use for new chicks I just met...but you haven't just met this chick so a
few phrases for you can be switched around or re-worded...this is something
I have saved in a personal Word document, I got it from PUA BradP
listening to him on a radio interview. It goes something like this, but I
switch it around...and really not word for word memorizes but it's pretty
easy to get the idea because really you just make it up as you go. I'm
gonna look further into my document right now to see if I can find any
more kino for you that would work now or soon into the future. This will
definately get her thinking about sex though, but by using humor.


Me: “Are you an intuitive person?”
HB: “Very much so!”
Me: “Let me see your hand.” (She complies)
Me: “Interesting…” (throw her hand away)
HB: “Wait, what? Can you read palms?”
Me: “Yes, see this line? This is the retard line, it means you’re a retard. (Pause for abit) Just kidding okay let’s see here…”
Me: “Alright, if you look at where your hand meets your wrist you’ll see there are some lines there…” (Look & point at lines)
Me: “Ahhhh, I see…(pause) your one of those kind of girls.”
HB: “What does that mean?”
Me: “Well, if you have 1 line here it means you’re a virgin, if you have 2 lines here it means you have average sexual experience, if you have 3 lines here it means you are a sex expert, sex guru, sex ninja.” (If you don’t like her hand lines here just bend her hand upward toward her bicep trying to make more lines…it’s funny as hell)
HB: “haha blah blah"
Me: (Then pick a different line somewhere, anywhere) “Now what we have here is this is your love line…now by looking at this I can tell you’re the kind of girl who great in relationships…you make a great girlfriend…and right now you’re kinda dating around seeing a few different guys and the weirdest thing is happening to you…you tend to go on like 1 or 2 dates with a guy and then you think you like him…after 2 dates you lose all attraction to him…and you don’t know why.”
HB: “blah blah”
Me: (Now pick some other line that has some other line intersecting it) “Okay, this is your laugh line…now from this I can tell you have a very very good sense of humor. You actually kind of have an offbeat sense of humor…you see this little line here that intersects with it…that means sometimes you don’t get the joke…like do your friends ever call you a dumb blonde (or if she is brunette say ‘do your friends ever say you have blonde roots’)”
HB: “blah blah”
Me: (Now go to the large line below the thumb) “Okay, this is your life line and you have this other line that is parallel to it (the one above it on the thumb)…now from the parallel line I can tell what you were in a former life. You where a [horse, lady bug, butterfly…some female friendly animal]”
HB: “blah blah blah”
Me: “Okay, that’s your former life you were a [whatever animal you chose]. Now your life line is really long…your going to live to be very very old, but here is like a little split in it…now what this is is a near death experience…you are going to go into the tunnel and like totally see the light and then your going to come back and it’s going to be a really tense experience.”
HB: “blah blah”
Me: “And a little further down here is another cross, and what that is is a life changing experience…(pause)…okay hold on hold on hold on, I’m getting a vision I’m getting a vision(Now close your eyes)…I can see it…okay you are going to meet a tall dark haired handsome guy (describe yourself) when you’re in your [example: ‘mid 20s’ if go is in her 20s]…I can’t his face but he is wearing a [color of shirt your wearing] & he is standing in a [party/bar/club wherever u are]….OHHHH it’s gone, I lost the vision. I’m sorry, but yea uh…that’s your future.




See what I mean, obviously you won't want to call her a retard...just replace
that with something like this is your 'picky' how picky you can be sometimes
or your 'slow' line or 'flakey' line, or some other slight neg you can throw in
for her that you've noticed about her. Also, obviously she isn't going to
respond the same way as above but you get the picture and can work
with it. You can switch around the dating thing with you are just taking
it slow right now though guys have offered to date you they are just
not right for you or some crap like that. And change the final last part into
where you are at, etc. Good kino, lots of touching. Works great.

[PepeLePew]

And how often are you seeing this chick now a week? Hopefully not everyday,
try not to see her too often. Right now if she really likes you, the less she
sees of you the more she may miss you and want to hang out...tease her
a little, but letting her know you are busy doing other things whatever
they may be. Just keep up with that schedule you were talking about...workout,
play sports...do things that will keep your mind off her.

Are you still trying to flirt with other girls or have interest in any other chicks?
Or are you just keeping the plan for this one? I'd suggest you keep flirting
with other girls just incase...and plus it's healthy, and it's not like you are
cheating on her or anything since you all aren't together. She doesn't need
to know about it either, but if she finds out or notices it may be a good
thing, making her feel a little jealous to want you more. Hell, like how
she pulled that guy asking her out for a drink, pull that on her as well with
mentioning some other chick.

You really still need to try to see other girls and flirt around, because you
never know if it won't workout with this chick like you want it to and then
that time was wasted for the most part. Get out there whenever you
can, don't priortize this girl as the one and only...don't let "oneitis" happen
to you, which it may already. I know you don't want to be one of those
player types doing all this different chicks, but just focusing on one when
you aren't even with her as bf/gf material-wise or sure it will even turn
out like that is not a healthy one, because she'll be on your mind too much.
I just don't want to see you spend all this time thinking and planning
things out with this chick and then you don't even get a chance to kiss
her or anything.

If oneitis occurs or has already occurred read this:
http://fastseduction.com/whatsnew/featured/2009/02/2009-02-05a.shtml

[The_Scientist]

And how often are you seeing this chick now a week? Hopefully not everyday,
try not to see her too often. Right now if she really likes you, the less she
sees of you the more she may miss you and want to hang out...tease her
a little, but letting her know you are busy doing other things whatever
they may be. Just keep up with that schedule you were talking about...workout,
play sports...do things that will keep your mind off her.

We have class together MWF, and the only time we hang out before class is on Monday or Friday, and even then, that's hit or miss, so not very much at all.


Are you still trying to flirt with other girls or have interest in any other chicks?
Or are you just keeping the plan for this one? I'd suggest you keep flirting
with other girls just incase...and plus it's healthy, and it's not like you are
cheating on her or anything since you all aren't together. She doesn't need
to know about it either, but if she finds out or notices it may be a good
thing, making her feel a little jealous to want you more. Hell, like how
she pulled that guy asking her out for a drink, pull that on her as well with
mentioning some other chick.

I would if I had the time/oppurtunity, but I really don't. I basically study and do Jiu Jitsu and that is my entire day.


You really still need to try to see other girls and flirt around, because you
never know if it won't workout with this chick like you want it to and then
that time was wasted for the most part. Get out there whenever you
can, don't priortize this girl as the one and only...don't let "oneitis" happen
to you, which it may already. I know you don't want to be one of those
player types doing all this different chicks, but just focusing on one when
you aren't even with her as bf/gf material-wise or sure it will even turn
out like that is not a healthy one, because she'll be on your mind too much.
I just don't want to see you spend all this time thinking and planning
things out with this chick and then you don't even get a chance to kiss
her or anything.

If oneitis occurs or has already occurred read this:
http://fastseduction.com/whatsnew/featured/2009/02/2009-02-05a.shtml
You're right, she's been on my mind alot this week, I think just because I haven't had BJJ to go to, so it's like study and then nothing. But hopefully I'll be able to get back to that next week, and that will do wonders for my mind and body. Also, about other girls, see the previous section of this post.

Also, thanks for your consideration, it means alot.

[PepeLePew]

Other touch stuff you can do once you've already past the high fives,
punching shoulders, bjj demonstration, hugs, etc...are playing a back
tracing game. Trace a word on her back and make her guess what the
word is, then let her try writing on your back.

Another thing for later after you've past the initial kinoing is playing the
"Pen 15" game. As followed:

(For Pen 15 Club, if they’ve done something to get your good approval tell them they just earned themselves into the Pen 15 club, then let them give you the back of their hand and write with the pen “PEN15”…she won’t get it at first but it looks like the word “PENIS”)
(Mouse Race Story…Get their arm and turn it over so palms facing up, you want to write on their forearm ”Alright, there were 3 little mice & they were having a race…there is a blind mouse, a dumb mouse, & a deaf mouse. Alright here’s the blind mouse, just tell me when to stop (Start making a line up her forearm). Alright, here is the dumb mouse, tell me when to stop. Alright, here is the deaf mouse tell me when to stop…(You don’t stop when she says because the deaf mouse can’t hear).

[PepeLePew]

This one doesn't involve touching, but can work to really melt a girls heart
for you.

It was in a book I read a long time ago that had a bunch of different short
stories in them...the booked was called Elephants something something,
can't remember. Anyway, you use this when you got the chick comfortable
with her, but just not enough yet to the put that she is allowing you to
make moves on her. Just talk playing a game about taking turns telling
each other stories, any story...can be made up, real life whatever. You
guys go back and forth with a few shorts stories...then you bust this one
out. Oh yea, give titles to your little stories first before beginning them
to let her anticipate what this story will be about. You'll probably not use
this now, but down the road when the time is right. The story is not
that hard to remember, pretty simple after reading it a few times...you'll
get the gist of it and be able to tell it with ease. I made new paragraph
returns in it to make it easier to remember & comprehend. Here it is below
from my document:


Titled: "I'm Meeting a 100% Perfect Girl One Spring Day in Austin"

Once upon a time, there was a guy and he was just going to go do his laundry.
He wasn’t thinking about anything special, he was just walking down a street going to do his laundry.
From the other direction there is a woman and she was going to mail a letter, she wasn’t thinking about a special…she wasn’t in fancy clothes, she didn’t have on makeup…she was just going to mail a letter.
It just so happened that they happened to pass each other.
And the guy looked at the girl and he thought to himself, “You know what..that is the 100% perfect girl for me…who would think that I would just be walking out to do my laundry and I would run into the woman that is the 100% perfect girl for me.”
And the woman looked at the guy and she thought to herself, “You know what..that is the 100% perfect guy for me…who would think that I would just be walking out to mail a letter and I would run into the man that is the 100% perfect guy for me.”
And by some miracle…some freak of chance, they actually worked up the guts to talk to each other.
So they stopped, and they started talking to each other, they started walking down forth just talking about everything and it turned out that everything they had in common they clicked on 100%, everything they didn’t have in common complimented each other perfectly.
They kept walking and they got down to the river, and they took a seat on the bench there. And hours passed by in the blink of an eye.
And after awhile they said to each other, “You know what…this is too weird. What are the chances of just walking outside and running into your 100% perfect person?”
So, just a sliver of doubt crossed their minds. So they said, “You know what…if this is really for real…if we are really really meant to be together what we’re going to do is separate right now and we won’t exchange phone numbers or anything…we’ll just walk away and if fate is really meant for us to be together then we’ll run into each other again…and if we run into each other again we’ll know it’s meant to be and we’ll get married on the spot…that’s it. So we’ll leave it up to faith.”
So the two separated, he went to the east…she went to the west.
And a day passed…2 days passed…a week passed…a month passed…a year passed…and they didn’t see each other again.
And after some time passed they decided to start dated other people. And they found 60% perfect love…70% perfect love…even as much as 83% perfect love…but they never found 100% perfect love again.
And as more time passed they eventually got old, got married to separate people, and they had nice marriages and nice children and they had their lives…
...And many years into the future there was a terrible disease plague and people got very very sick but they were covered…however their spouses died and passed away.
So one day he was walking down a street carrying a sack of laundry & he sees some friends, he is shaking hands…he is about 83 years old walking down the street with his laundry and she happens to be walking down this same street to mail a letter and she’s got her letter you know seeing friends & shaking hands…she is 79 and they pass each other.
And he looked at her and said to himself, “You know what…that woman seems really familiar, but I can’t seem to place it…I feel like I know that woman.”
And she looked at him and said to herself, “You know what…that man seems really familiar, but I can’t seem to place it…I feel like I know that man.”
But they couldn’t remember each other, too many years had passed and it had faded out of their memory…it had just been wiped out by time and new experiences.
So they walked right past each other…and didn’t even talk…
…And the thing was, fate really had meant for them to be together…they really were the 100% perfect person for each other and what happened was what are the chances of fate is going to put you together once, but how lucky are you going to be for fate together again twice…it’s like winning the lottery and ripping up your ticket and trying to win the lottery again just to make it was really meant to be…
…There mistake was they questioned fate when it was really meant to be and fate never gave them another chance.
So…sad story isn’t it?

[JaredK]

Hey PePe, any kino ideas?

I've just been trying to think of ways that I could touch her, and then sort of rank them in order of personalness and comfort, and then think of how to get them to come about.

I've got hugs, punches, accidental brushes, handshakes, high fives. What else is there?

Any more advice? You guys usually come up with really good stuff, or reinforce my ideas.

You could put your arm around her from the back while she's not paying attention, pinches, poking, tickling, rubbing back, chicks love massages and since you pe and have strong hands you really can't go wrong with this. Don't high five, handshake or pound-it----- both sides will feel cheated, hug at the end of meetings (innocent but also intimate).....she has to get used to touching you and feeling good doing it.....for this to progress.

[Dr. P-Evil]

sorry, i scanned through the thread..hope i'm not repeating...

don't over neg a girl you're friends with already. make it clear that you know she's hot. small compliments about her dress, her shoes, her hair, how smart she is. but not more than one or two for every 5 meetings.

yes, take her out and show her a good time with your friends. if she doesn't mention her ex to you a lot, then there must be something there that she sees in you.

oh, talk a lot about your goals. concrete realistic ones. if she's into accomplishment, you show you're going somewhere in life.

touching...take out for errands...new cell phone charger, post office, whatever....then position yourself so you have to go past her to get to the post box or shampoo bottle..whatever...brushing past her and touching a little everytime. in reality, if she's interested in you, she'll initiate more touching.

[The_Scientist]

You could put your arm around her from the back while she's not paying attention, pinches, poking, tickling, rubbing back, chicks love massages and since you pe and have strong hands you really can't go wrong with this. Don't high five, handshake or pound-it----- both sides will feel cheated, hug at the end of meetings (innocent but also intimate).....she has to get used to touching you and feeling good doing it.....for this to progress.

I know, but all of the first ones seem too strong I guess. It might be a great idea, if she weren't so against having a relationship right now, but putting your arm around a chick who's mom made her tell you that she's not dating right now just seems like a bad idea.


sorry, i scanned through the thread..hope i'm not repeating...

don't over neg a girl you're friends with already. make it clear that you know she's hot. small compliments about her dress, her shoes, her hair, how smart she is. but not more than one or two for every 5 meetings.


I compliment her some, but I guess I just think that it's odd to do so after just negging everyone all the time. So, I'll just start slipping it in slowly.


yes, take her out and show her a good time with your friends. if she doesn't mention her ex to you a lot, then there must be something there that she sees in you.


We don't really have that many friends, mostly because of our majors, I just BJJ and study all day.


oh, talk a lot about your goals. concrete realistic ones. if she's into accomplishment, you show you're going somewhere in life.


Now that is some great advice I think.


touching...take out for errands...new cell phone charger, post office, whatever....then position yourself so you have to go past her to get to the post box or shampoo bottle..whatever...brushing past her and touching a little everytime. in reality, if she's interested in you, she'll initiate more touching.


She actually lives pretty far away from me, so being like hey I'm going grocery shopping want to come? Doesn't really work. True, I really need to work on this touching shit, I just don't want it to come off weird as hell. I just need one ridiculously great ace in the hole method. And I think after I've done it once, we'll be good.


Great advice guys, really thanks alot.

[PepeLePew]

How about when you are hanging out with her, at your place or her's...have
a bunch of great/funny/you just got to see this/ kind of youtube videos
favorited on your youtube account then tell her you want to show her
something funny. Sit in the chair on her laptop trying to login in and find
which video to show her, then swivel the chair to the side while still keeping
your face toward the computer screen say, "Here, you gotta see this, sit on
my lap," just like that, don't ask her to just instruct her to.

Now she is sitting on your lap and watching the video with you. You not
copping a feel or anything, she is just sitting on you. You both are making
contact with each other in a normal way. I have chicks that all the time,
sitting on my lap...even if they aren't into me sexually or anything, it's a
pretty normal thing...not too out there. If she likes you she won't mind
sitting on your lap and actually like it because she feels like wow he is
being kind of dominant just telling me to sit on his lap to watch this instead
of just asking me if I want to sit on his lap. Another good excuse for this
is that if you guys are looking at a laptop you got to be sitting at a certain
angle to see the laptop screen the best way. Maybe throw that in there
as well if you think you should.



Another thing, how about asking her and some friends to the movies or
something. Having friends come along won't make it seem like a date or
anything and you just having a good time. Just try to make sure you
sit next to her, maybe allow her to share your popcorn with her.

[The_Scientist]

How about when you are hanging out with her, at your place or her's...have
a bunch of great/funny/you just got to see this/ kind of youtube videos
favorited on your youtube account then tell her you want to show her
something funny. Sit in the chair on her laptop trying to login in and find
which video to show her, then swivel the chair to the side while still keeping
your face toward the computer screen say, "Here, you gotta see this, sit on
my lap," just like that, don't ask her to just instruct her to.

Now she is sitting on your lap and watching the video with you. You not
copping a feel or anything, she is just sitting on you. You both are making
contact with each other in a normal way. I have chicks that all the time,
sitting on my lap...even if they aren't into me sexually or anything, it's a
pretty normal thing...not too out there. If she likes you she won't mind
sitting on your lap and actually like it because she feels like wow he is
being kind of dominant just telling me to sit on his lap to watch this instead
of just asking me if I want to sit on his lap. Another good excuse for this
is that if you guys are looking at a laptop you got to be sitting at a certain
angle to see the laptop screen the best way. Maybe throw that in there
as well if you think you should.


She has no internet, maybe when she moves. Plus she will be away from all of her old memories then.


Another thing, how about asking her and some friends to the movies or
something. Having friends come along won't make it seem like a date or
anything and you just having a good time. Just try to make sure you
sit next to her, maybe allow her to share your popcorn with her.

True that, actually this one works really well, because one day after the break up she brought me her copy of The Watchmen and told me to read it. So, I figure I can parlay that into a movie going experience easily. Also, when we were at her house she gave me a movie to watch as well, I consider these both very positive signs, her giving me things for us to talk about and what not, so that we have shared experiences and what not. Also, today I bought a movie and I'm going to make her watch it.

Now that I think about it maybe it's just hope, but it does seem like she's almost leading me into making moves. In addition to the stuff above, before we went to look at apt.s I went out another door like we were going a different way, and she said, "[Insert name] aren't you coming with me" Making sure that I went with her. It might just be hope clouding judgement, but that is a lot of new stuff for us, that I've never seen her do with anyone else.

[PepeLePew]

Nice man. Well how about just inviting her over to watch the movie that
she gave you so you guys can watch it together...or the movie you'll give
her? Just call it a chill movie night, bring some chocolate covered strawberries,
grapes with whip cream, and some ice cream and just chill and pig out
watching movies with her. Or yea get her to go see Watchmen with you.

[The_Scientist]

So good news.

I texted her, and told her that I liked the movie that she gave me, and set up for me and her to go and see The Watchmen.

Then she told me that she had to talk to me about her ex. So I was like fuck, and she texted me and told me that he cam over and they talked and hugged and kissed and fucked. So I was like FFUUCCKK!!!!!!!!

But her text cut off so she called me and told me about it and basically said, that they were completely over, which was the last I expected to hear after that. And that she was sad but glad that now she felt it was mostly over and she could move on.

So we talked for like an hour and a half mostly about fun stuff. It was awesome, she said that she had to take care of herself before she went on a date whatever the fuck that means, but still. Awesome.

She's finally over him, not emotionally but relationship wise and as closure, and we have a not real date, but still two friends going out to the movies.

Good signs, thanks for your help boys.

Any thoughts or advice?

[PepeLePew]

So good news.

Then she told me that she had to talk to me about her ex. So I was like fuck, and she texted me and told me that he cam over and they talked and hugged and kissed and fucked. So I was like FFUUCCKK!!!!!!!!

He came over and they talked...then hugged...then kissed...then fucked...
as in HAD SEX? WTF?!!! Am I missing something? Lol

Nice on the movie, when you guys going? Also I need the exact time &
location as well........

[The_Scientist]

Yup, in some order they did those things and decided that it was over between them and they both talked about it and got closure and decided it was over.

I don't fucking know, it's almost like makeup sex only for parting.

Closure Sex????

IDK about when we're going, sometime after I finish the book, it's like a fucking homework assignment now.

I should give you the time and place and buy an ear piece so you can convince me to make moves that I'm hesitant about. That would be awesome.

[PepeLePew]

LOL...


But how you feeling that she just fucked that guy? I mean if I would be in
your situation I'd be like WTF fuck this and BS on it being over...maybe
over but sex whenever, WTF...there should have been no fucking sex. How
the hell did that happened. I'm confused and questioning this chick.

[The_Scientist]

I've rationalized it once, but it takes a shit ton of thought.

More importantly, on an emotional level somehow I understand it. We also talked about that, and she said that her mom bitched at her for it, but she said that it was just sort of a last time thing, and there's no way she would do it again.

At first, I thought the same thing you did, but then talking to hear she just sounded like it really was over and he said that he just wanted it to be over to, also he moved to a different city and she's moving to so they will be farther apart, I think it's over, but at the same time I could just think that because I want it to be. But at the same time, do you get back together with your BF make a somewhat date with another guy and talk to him for an hour and a half all on the same day? Doubt it, this lady isn't that crazy or really crazy at all, she is generally one of the sanest females that I know.

[Baseballer8]

WTF she tells her mom about her sex life???

This story gets interesting fast.

Um about the sex thing I don't know, that might be a deal breaker for me....hmm I'll have to think about that one for a while.

[PepeLePew]

Post this chicks number so we can call her up.

At least the Ex got some sex in before it was completely over again. :shrugs:

Idk, to me if your plan was working of her starting to like you and have
feelings for you I don't know why'd she'd kiss & fuck him...maybe kiss
slip...but not FUCK! WTF! Now it's like back to ground zero. This chick is
lonely...you got to proceed soon with kinoing...you may knock this one
in quicker then you thought cause she is wanting to not be alone, seriously.
That or you were already in the friendzone & really in the friendzone now.
IDK, good luck...this one is strange.

[The_Scientist]

What why the fuck would I do that?

And what do you mean by completely over again?

[PepeLePew]

Lol, I was just playing about the phone number thing. :wink:

But it was suppose to be over before wasn't it...then they just completely
another "It's over" again. That's all I was saying.

[The_Scientist]

Actually, the first time it wasn't really over, neither of them wanted to break up they just came to a point that they couldn't reconcile over. She hoped for a while that they would get back together, today was the first time that I heard her say, "It's over for good now." So before there was still alot of unfinished business, and today all of that got taken care of.

I trust her, there are just some people that I trust because they never lie, and everything they say is not from a movie or book or cliche, but it's true and resonates with me some how, and that's how I know that what they say is true, and I trust her because of that. It's odd I know, and I'm placing too much importance on one chick.

Also, it wasn't until me and my ex sort of got back together that I finally got over her, I just realized when I saw her again that she wasn't the one for me, and that we had changed and grown apart too much. So, I can understand it because I've been there and done it.

[Baseballer8]

Updates?

[PepeLePew]

I saw him mention I think in one of the whoring threads she put him in
the friend zone for now...supposedly she isn't ready for anyone but her
dildo and vibrator for atleast 2 years.

[Dr. P-Evil]

we need a bitch slap smiley icon to slap each other to our senses. i've been the over analyzer..seriously, like you don't even know....but you can't analyze your way out of anything in life. in fact, usually the less you think about things, the more organic the solution becomes.

i say he should keep flirting with her even if he's in the friend zone to show he's sexually interested in her, because it's better to get rejected and burn it off than to have fool's hope and try to get to convert from being a friend which is self inflicted mental torture. the whole idea of 'oh i don't want to lose her friendship' is lame. once you fall in love with her, it's poison.

in reality, if he doesn't play the alpha male, some new guy will just fill that void when she hasn't had sex in a while. trying to figure out the subtle signals is pointless.

[w3]

I'm sorry for giving no input here before, but I'm nowadays just way too frustrated at giving advice with women to everyone. Mainly because all the guys who I know are always asking me the same fucking questions. I used to be all in with helping guys here at the boards, and giving my input.
Went as far as starting to write an ultimate guide on getting women.

But.. I lost interest. Sorry..

So it seems The_Scientist failed, I think that you need to back the fuck up for a while. I go cold on girls who manage to slip out of my reach and then after that bring out an full out sexual attack.

After a while you can switch that role from being just a friend into an alpha male, dominate her.
It's either crash and burn or spank and cum. If ya know what I mean.

And besides, if it didn't work out, you need to go out.
There really are a lot more women out there, it's just your heart telling you she's the one.
There are a lot of amazing girls out there, you just need to throw your dice around a lot.
I've had a lot of amazing encounters with women, guys here at the boards and my friends in real life ask me a lot if I'm taking a piss.
No I'm not, I just have a lot of women in circulation around me all the time.
And when someone worthy comes along, BAM. Nail that bitch and take her as your own.

Well.. when you actually get a lot of girls in-circulation, it's easy to get lost in that game, and grow quite cold actually.
But there are times when somebody slaps me hard enough to actually make me take a good look at them. So I sometimes find myself in a relationship, even though I'm a fucking untameable wild horse in the end.

What I'm trying to give you here is not advice on how to get this specific chick, but on how to get more options on women.

I mean really, guys in general should just start saying hi to everything that fucking moves. And build up from that.
One day you realize you're fucking everything that moves.

[The_Scientist]

Nice, thanks for the advice man. It's totally not my personality, and I don't know that many chicks and also don't do shit to meet them. Clubs, bars, not my fucking places and where I live I think every fucking chick has a god damn ring on. :shrugs:

[w3]

It can be your personality if you want to.
You can force yourself to evolve.

You say you don't do shit to meet girls.
That is your problem.
START DOING SHIT! Start going out and just see what the world has to offer.
Being here and whining about a girl that lives next door wont bring you love.

Stop worrying and just saying hi to every girl you see.
Things have an odd way of eventually start flowing.. :wink:
Don't worry about the ring, the girls can still have friends right?
And being friends with a lot of girls can boost your confidence, and you'll start being comfortabe around women.

And those ring women have friends dont they!?

How big of a town you live in?

[PepeLePew]

He lives in a college dorm.

[The_Scientist]

It can be your personality if you want to.
You can force yourself to evolve.
You say you don't do shit to meet girls.
That is your problem.
START DOING SHIT! Start going out and just see what the world has to offer.
Being here and whining about a girl that lives next door wont bring you love.


I fucking hate clubs. And I'm not yet 21, so bars and shit not so much either, and I don't drink. So where the fuck else is there to go?:shrugs:


Stop worrying and just saying hi to every girl you see.
Things have an odd way of eventually start flowing.. :wink:
Don't worry about the ring, the girls can still have friends right?
And being friends with a lot of girls can boost your confidence, and you'll start being comfortabe around women.

And those ring women have friends dont they!?

How big of a town you live in?
Better than a million.

[Dr. P-Evil]

Scientist-

w3 is speaking the gospel my friend. only thing i would add to that is to bang a couple 6's....then move up the chain...building your confidence with each one. i know it sounds really bad to say, but you don't want to buy a model car fully assembled do you...no, you want to buy it in 100 pieces and put it together yourself. same with women, they don't want you to be domesticated from the beginning....they want to break you in. so in order find that sweet nice girl that deserves better, you're going to to have to be the bad ass she falls for.....whereas many guys are too dumb to turn the switch off at times, you can turn it off and slowly be the nice guy.

lastly, start working out and /or dressing how chicks want a guy to dress...if you're completely clueless and don't know any women, ask the girl the counter. your shoes and your clothes matter to women..you don't have to rich, but you have show some attention to detail. swallow your pride...and just use the formula that other guys are using.

[Dr. P-Evil]

one more thing...about clubs....yes, clubs always get old for everybody involved...but it's a meat market and it can be fun if you remember that you're not looking ot meet your future wife there. you're looking for a bj.:lol:

if you knew when went to a club, you were getting some ass 3 out of 10 times...you'd probably like them a lot more.

when i was younger...i was too shy..hated clubs...now that i'm older about 30, i expect chicks to give me the eye...and all of sudden clubs seem like more fun.

[w3]

I fucking hate clubs. And I'm not yet 21, so bars and shit not so much either, and I don't drink. So where the fuck else is there to go?:shrugs:


Better than a million.
And as Dr. P-Evil said, he hated the clubs when he was younger. And this was due to low confidence.
People with low confidence tend to not like clubs, and not like dancing.
That is why people drink there, because they are not confident in an enviroment where everyone is putting their best out.

I'm even more confident when there is competition all around me, the simple reason is that you gotta be. Even more than ever you need to be the alpha male in those situations.

But what I'm trying to say is that you shouldn't go to clubs in the beginning, that can be too much pressure. And the good girls are harder to catch there.
Of course there are always tens of skanks in clubs, but not always you get to spot them.

So you live in a city with fifth of my country's total population.
How the fuck do I get laid then?

Go downtown! Go to where all the stores at.
Go shopping, and as a side goal, try to do what The Base told you. :wink: Just smile and say Hi :mrgreen

There are many other things you got to learn about pulling women, and Dr. P-Evil shed some light on a few issues in his previous post.
But first things first, you just need to remove that ice that is keeping you from just saying hi to all the beautiful girls there. And build up from that.

Clothes are okay, and even important. Because you can generate conversation from all that. And if you have something peculiar in your outfit, something outright ridiculous, that's a good conversation starter.
The girls might just approach you because of that, especially if you are walking like you own the place.
Super confidence works like a magnet, especially if you're smiling and saying hi to all the girlies. :mrgreen

But don't stress about all the trivial things now, just go with The Base at first and hit your local mall now. That's where all the girls are, and that's where I do most of my picking up usually. No not the clubs, I go those places to have fun, and usually just leave with someone that likes my vibe etc.

[The_Scientist]

Sweet, solid advice.

I'm going to start working out again once my rib heals more, and as for clothes that shit will have to wait for summer I'm a bit broke, and I'll just take my mom with me, that shit sounds lame as hell but she totally wants me to get laid, she's like an awesome friend/supporter. I basically use her for all of my will this get me laid/will women like this questions. She's a fucking expert.

[w3]

Sweet, solid advice.

I'm going to start working out again once my rib heals more, and as for clothes that shit will have to wait for summer I'm a bit broke, and I'll just take my mom with me, that shit sounds lame as hell but she totally wants me to get laid, she's like an awesome friend/supporter. I basically use her for all of my will this get me laid/will women like this questions. She's a fucking expert. Hey man, you don't need to really go shop for clothes, just go look at some and try them on, and on the side hit up on some girls. :wink:

And women as advice givers.. not necessarily good.
They tend to tell you what they WANT in a man, not what they are ATTRACTED TO.
For example, they'll tell you to be nice and polite, worship the ground below their feet.
But that's bullshit, they always run off with the bad boy on a motorcycle. :wink:

I'm not saying your mother is exactly like this, but this is just what I've seen in general. Girls always try to argue against my experience, but they will lose when I give good enough examples and ask about their past boyfriends etc. :mrgreen

[Dr. P-Evil]

w3 is right

i cringed when i read wanna get help from from your Mom. she can be cool, but there are soooo many ways that can blow up in your face even if she helps in the beginning.

[The_Scientist]

Yeah I just realized how bad that sounded. Trust me, I'm largely independent of my parents, I just hang out with them because they're cool as hell like tonight we went out to a bar. Trust me, I'm not one of those kids whose twenty and tied to their mothers apron strings.

[w3]

I'm not saying that, what I said that generally receiving advice from women (be it your mother or just a girl friend) on how to get women is not usually good.
Since they will tell you what they want, not what they are attracted to. :icon_smile:

[PepeLePew]

Scientist ain't lying...Mrs. Scientist and I went shopping the other day for
some sexy lingerie...she definately knows what she's talking about! :twisted:

[The_Scientist]

I'm glad my mom was having a good time.

I didn't think that you would be into the bigger ladies PePe.:shrugs:

[PepeLePew]

Hey...you know how the saying goes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:saint: :wink: :cool

[The_Scientist]

Skunks like fatties?:shrugs:

[Dr. P-Evil]

I'm glad my mom was having a good time.

I didn't think that you would be into the bigger ladies PePe.:shrugs:


brilliant...totally used that whole momentum against him....very clever comeback.


i'm with w3....it's not about being a momma's boy....women don't know what they want.

[The_Scientist]

No one knows what they want, but my mom knows more about people than I could ever hope to learn. She knows what people want, what they think they want, and what they will go for.

I think it would be better for me in the long run to find out for my self though. Self-discovery is a powerful thing.

[PepeLePew]

So she also knows you want a bigger dick and you PE? Cause I didn't tell
her yet.

[The_Scientist]

Nope, she's not fucking telepathic you ass.

[PepeLePew]

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[Steve Madden]

You just have to go for it. The whole rebound shit is just that. Yes, a lot of people rush into a relationship after breaking up with someone, and often times those second relationships don't last. Not because the person just broke up, but because they rushed into the relationship. There might be a strong connection, but it isn't something you can calculate out and avoid. Just go with it.

[The_Scientist]

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, but we are just friends. Like no doubt, completely just friends nothing more. Oh well. :shrugs: It's good to have friends though.

[PepeLePew]

True, friends for now. But if you start getting out and meeting and hanging
with new chicks and she sees this there could be a bit of jealousy coming
out of her and she may realize that she really likes you more then a friend.
It's always still a possibility...that's the great thing about life...you never
know what's around the corner...it's all a mystery, so keep doing what
you doing by forgetting about being with her, just have fun, and hey
she may just fall into your lap later on when you least expect it.

[The_Scientist]

I know, it's a secret deep hope of mine that I try to keep buried so that it doesn't become a primary focus in my life which would be bad, but yeah I agree completely. I could go home get ripped, come back and be great with the ladies, and come back and her want me so bad that she comes to me, we can always dream, but fuck that. There is nothing that I can do about it so I don't plan on worrying about it.

I'm just going to be cool as hell. :cool