Would you call this cheating/unnatural?

[oldie42]

So for the first time in my life I'm contemplating something outside of the ordinary. Well, for me anyways. I've been doing things the natural way for over 25 years. No steroids, growth hormone, etc. I'm aging...aging well though! I'm starting to lose the hormonal balance I used to have...this happens with age. I'm contemplating trying out a transdermal DHEA. DHEA is a natural substance your body produces. But I'm not sure that this would be considered cheating, or unnatural. I don't see DHEA as a steroid, but it IS a precursor to Testosterone and different Andro strains. I may do crazy things but I know my limits and would never do anything to negatively affect my body...well, intentionally. So what do you guys say?

[G-Spot19]

I dunno. I wouldn't consider it cheating, merely a boost in what you say you is naturally diminishing. A refill so to speak. I too have thought about expanding my supplement range and have a kind of new formulation of Andro. I know its not good, but its working and most of the side effects of Andro have been taken away with this formulation. Its also legal and seems to be helping. I think if you feel you need it, go for it. IF you dont really think you need it and you feel that you are cheating yourself, stick with what you are doing. But hey, you are the expert. We should heed what you decide i think. :cool

[oldie42]

What type of Andro are you taking?

The product I'm thinking of is Dermacrine. I'd go 4 weeks of that and then 4 weeks of Sustain after that....these are manufactured by Primordial Performance by the way, if you're interested in the profile.

Only thing I really worry about is shutting down my own natural hormone production...which Sustain will take care of afterwards, but still.

[G-Spot19]

ITs a reformulation of 4-Androstenediol called 4-AD. It come highly reccomended to me and im liking it so far. My lifts are better and I can notice a difference in my build. I'll look into Sustain as well.

[Rum_Runner]

Oldie, I would say that for what you are using it for and the short time you plan on using it you should be fine and are not cheating. Cheaters are abusers that use a substance to go from 160 to 195 in a years time. Not a lifer like yourself, do it with my blessing. But do it smart:cool

[oldie42]

Hey G, are you experiencing any shutdown while taking 4AD? I've seen it advertised for a while now, but never looked too much into it. I'm wondering about liver toxicity issues with running that.

As far as Sustain goes, there's a lot of good reviews on it...supposed to suppress estrogen and boost testosterone naturally. And the Dermacrine is transdermal, so there is no liver toxicity issues at all. The DHEA in the product converts to different types of Andro, as well as Testosterone. And DHEA is naturally occuring in your body...main reason I was thinking of trying this out.

Rum, I agree about the abusers. There's a kid who is 18 years old named Aleksey Lesukov. Russian bodybuilder. He abused the hell out of the needle and is crazy big. Has a small package though...something I will never have to run into. :mrgreen

[Rum_Runner]

http://i27.tinypic.com/dyoo5j.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/25sv15f.jpg
This kid

[G-Spot19]

Damn. Impressive body, but i see no package :shock: People actually think that is a fair trade-off? Crazy shit. Oldie, so far I have not experienced anything negative from it. Actually, i feel stronger and healthier. I know it says estrogen should be no issue, but i still take a suppressor just in case. Added in with my multivitamin, I have never felt stronger or better in general. Also i looked at Sustain and think i will try a bottle for sure after this cycle of 4-AD is up. :cool

[oldie42]

Damn, haven't seen those pictures yet. Guess they are newer. The ones I saw, he looked like a damn little kid:

http://www.body-building.ru/copper/albums/piter2006/IMG_1385.JPG

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t21/alfsgrafx/alfsadd2.jpg

Tiny package....not good.

Among others. That is not a photoshop, he just doesn't know how to use the damn protan.


Gspot, I actually got a bottle of the original formula Dermacrine Sustain, which was replaced by Sustain Alpha. Got it from a buddy of mine. I also ordered the Dermacrine. Will do 4 weeks of Dermacrine followed by 4 weeks of Dermacrine Sustain

[jason12]

4-ad will not raist the natural test of someone who is older. Why not try something like pregnenolone. What makes you think that your test levels are on the low side? You hold a great deal of muscle mass and you say your sex life is good. Where is the problem??

I would advise you to go to a doctor and get your levels checked. If you live anywhere near MI I know of a very reputable doctor. It is hard to find a good endocrinologist because the majority of them work with mostly women.

[oldie42]

I did not say I was going to take 4AD...never even mentioned or thought about it, so I don't know where you get off trying to say that.

Dermacrine is a transdermal DHEA and Pregnenolone product. I was going to use it to elevate androstenediol, androstenedione and testosterone. I don't think my test levels are real low, in fact they are probably just more in the normal range. But I'm getting older, it wouldn't hurt to bring anabolic levels up.

[jason12]

[quote=oldie42]I did not say I was going to take 4AD...never even mentioned or thought about it, so I don't know where you get off trying to say that.

G-spot mentioned it. The post wasn't directed towards you.

[G-Spot19]

I'm confused :?
I think my test levels are fine. Im only 23 so im not old yet and certainly dont have a great deal of muscle mass yet, but I will soon.:cool 4-Ad has been doing good things for me so far. Its made to give great gains in size and strength and seems to be doing the trick nicely so far. My strength levels are higher than ever! Plus, it can never hurt to be more anabolic and thats what the formula does. Its just like the older phoromones that are banned only alot of the side effects are removed. of course that means its not as potent, but i can live with that.

[jason12]

lol I ment that part of the post

[G-Spot19]

Oh. I thought you was calling me old :lol::lol::lol:

[Baseballer8]

Oldie let me weigh in on this. External DHEA has been shown to degrade your neuronal synapses in the long run and lead to alzheimer's like symptoms when used over time.

Take this with a grain of salt as it was done in rats, but also keep it in mind