ancient civilisations, philosephers, painters, sculpturs and inventors

[soserious]

name your favourites, why and possibly add a little history or sidenotes:

i like a lot of the work of MICHELANGELO Buonarroti
Italian painter, sculptor and architect (b. 1475, Caprese, d. 1564, Roma).
http://www.wga.hu/art/m/michelan/1sculptu/david/david.jpg

Michelangelo`s "David" ovcourse
http://www.wga.hu/art/m/michelan/3sistina/4sibyls/05_6si3.jpg

i heard that this woman above sibylis, was beautiful once- she picked up a handful of sand and asked a god whom had taken a liking to her that she wanted to live for as many years as there were grans of sand in her hands- (accepted as 1,000) she was granted this wish but she had forgotten to ask for eternal youth so she aged over 1,000 years until there was nothing left of her but her voice.

ss

[Shane_Bos]

Not really into art but philosophy YES! Kant's cool and makes alot of sense. Descartes is a bit of a wanker but his 'i think therefore i am' is cool. Socretes and Plato are obviously good too but some shit like the forms are a bit fucked up :?

[soserious]

i know little of such things of this thread. but id like to hear about others thoughts on them.
so anymore detail about these guys?

[Shane_Bos]

Descartes is the geez that said, 'i think, therefore i am' meaning, i think, therefore i exist in some way. Whether its in a dream world or such shit but its an undoubtable truth. One of the only ones, well, i cant think of any others.

The reason Descartes said this is the only undoubtable truth is beacuase of his theory of radical doubt. There are 3 parts to this.

1. Illusions: Which is basically as it sounds. Everything you experience could be an illusion. EG: Optical illusions or when you put a stick in water and it seems to bend :?

2. Dreaming: Which means everything could be a dream and you will never know.

These two parts focus on the physical world and experience but there are still things call 'analytic' truths such as '1+1=2' or 'all bachelors are unmarried'. Y'know, stuff thats true by definition. And so...

3. Evil demon (dont forget its called RADICAL doubt): This means that there COULD be an evil demon telling us that 1+1=2 when it really equals 3. This demon illudes us in many ways and so, we can never really know anything, not even analytical truths.

Now, all of this is possible and cannot be disproved (like God), and so, it can be concluded that nothing can ever be 'known' except that we exist in some way or form.

I might give you a description of Kant, Socretes or Plato's work some other time but not now.

[soserious]

nice work there dude!
hmm, interesting for sure.
i wish id learned this stuff in school.

[Shane_Bos]

Its not that good learning it in school. You have to learn the exam specification so you can gain a qualification. Its better to study it yourself as then you can look at what interests you in however much depth you like. Then you can learn not what the exam board says you should learn but what you want to know :D

[soserious]

Ok guys, let me draw on the collective knowledge here.
I want to do some in depth studies into ancient and not so ancient civilisations.
I have a local library but wonder if anyone has suggestions of which civilisations of which period/s would be a good start?
I want to see how they worked from the smallest detail to the grandest.

[Valk]

You could also pick up a book describing many ancient civilizations and after you read/browsed through it, after knowing something about each one, you choose the civilization that interests you the most.

Some examples: (Amazon)

Ancient Civilizations: The Illustrated Guide to Belief, Mythology and Art (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1592234895/sr=1-3/qid=1154776934/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-0592893-7683248?ie=UTF8&s=books)

Western Civilizations: Renaissance to the Present (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0072819642/sr=1-7/qid=1154777120/ref=sr_1_7/002-0592893-7683248?ie=UTF8&s=books)

The Fall of Rome: And the End of Civilization (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0192805649/sr=1-19/qid=1154777276/ref=sr_1_19/002-0592893-7683248?ie=UTF8&s=books)

Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393061310/sr=1-2/qid=1154777349/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-0592893-7683248?ie=UTF8&s=books)

Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670033375/sr=1-3/qid=1154777349/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-0592893-7683248?ie=UTF8&s=books)

[Spike]

That David's got a small dick. LOL

[Clockers]

I think they screwed up on his little penis when they sculpt him. :lol:

[Netgear]

How the fuck did they manage to sculpt things like that. Its always amazed me, just the smoothness and detail from relatively simple skills and hours of labour. Can you imagine if you sliped on the face or something :lol: :lol:

[ColdShroom]

The original David had a shlong.. but the marble kept breaking, and shorter and shorter it became.

Mikey did his best for the poor bastard.


http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9905/davidbiguk4.jpg

[ColdShroom]

Not entirely on topic.. but.. 'Gothic art' has always sort of weirdred me out.

I've always found the 'demons' in these pictures to be genuinely scarey, more than any modern horror monster/slasher flick has ever pulled off.

Or perhaps disturbing is a better word..


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b7/Schongauer_Anthony.jpg/447px-Schongauer_Anthony.jpg



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Buer.gif








Some of Slayer's album covers kinda left me with the willies as well.. :D

http://metalartwork.free.fr/images/pochettes2/tailleoriginale2/big1/Slayer_-_Reign_In_Blood.jpg



Ok.. back on topic now..

[Valk]

Do you know who made the slayer cover?

[ColdShroom]

Not off the top of my head.. they had a few from the same artist.. I think. I'll see if I can dig it up.. it's been a while :lol:

[Valk]

I always had the opinion that Gothic art was pretty crappy, but the pics you posted are pretty nice.

[soserious]

Why the hell are you guys picking on David for the size of hes dick? Some of you know better, but for those that don`t a little explanation:
The sculptures and paintings of naked men in those times purposely altered the natural size of the penis DOWN, they weren`t really that small. The reason being that it was seen as more sophisticated and morally strong if less attention was drawn to it, thus it was made smaller. It`s not like all guys have huge dongs in real life anyway, especially flaccid. :roll:
I like the Michaelangelos "David".

[Valk]

Did you check out those books?

[ColdShroom]

I like the Michaelangelos "David".
Dude..

It's a bloody masterpiece.

You're suprised at penis jokes from creeps on a penis enlargement forum? :roll:

Recognize sarcasm.. life will be easier.

[Spike]

Oi, less with the creeps. :lol:

[zwmusic]

Yeah, the creep crept up elsewhere... so it seems. :lol:

This is actually an interesting topic, it would be nice to keep it going for a little longer.

[Valk]

Well, hit us with something good.:D

[zwmusic]

"Woman was God's second mistake."

"When marrying, ask yourself this question: Do you believe that you will be able to converse well with this person into your old age? Everything else in marriage is transitory."

"What doesn't kill us makes us stronger."

"There is more wisdom in your body than in your deepest philosophy."

"The word 'Christianity' is already a misunderstanding - in reality there has been only one Christian, and he died on the Cross."

... and my favourite one.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."

Friedrich Nietzsche

[Valk]

Ah, some quotes from my second favourite grumpy bastard.:D

Too bad the third one is thrown around to much these days, it always loses some of its effect with overuse.

[Valk]

"All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players." - Shakespeare

"If the world were clear, art would not exist" - Albert Camus

"Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." - Salvador Dalí

"I am drugs" - Salvador Dalí

"Wow...nice." - Bobo

[Bobo]

"Wow...nice." - Bobo

:lol: That's deep... :lol:

[Valk]

I saved the best for last.

[zwmusic]

"If I washed my dick, would you suck it?" - Godma

"I'm developing a conscience" - Matt

"your mom makes soup for leopards!" - soserious

"I have no idea what's going on and who's who..." - Bobo

"What art thou thus though thy thinky theory?" - Thought Pro

"You should trash your violin and join me in my quest to unravel the future..." - Valkchirurg

"HOLY FUCKING SHIT" - oldie

[zwmusic]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

In the search for the lost thread on the Nazi commotion, I found this. I had forgotten about my post on the Great Quotes from CC Philosophers.

[G-Spot19]

At first i though SS was back :cry:
On a brighter note, those are some deep quotes. My fav:
"HOLY FUCKING SHIT" - oldie:lol: