Kegels for Men does Not Equal Exercising PC Muscles

[Swift]

To be announced.

[zwmusic]

Good to credit the source, Swift. Preferably at the bottom of the article, and in small letters.

[Swift]

It came from another PE site, it's still okay?

[Codzilla]

Its interesting. As long as i'm exercising A muscle that makes my dick stronger im not so fussed, but now its good we know the difference. Goodbye PC muscle (if this article is correct).

[K-man]

It came from another PE site, it's still okay?

In short no. Unfortunately you're going to have to remove the article, as its not your work (unless you can get permission from the author). I will, at some stage, be writing an article to similar effect. I just dont have the time right now.

[Codzilla]

Thats a shame. Cant he just write the name of the member who wrote the article instead of naming the website?

You just want the credit all for yourself dont ya you cheeky old fart :lol:

EDIT: Ok i just saw your edit.

[Redwood]

Fuck why can't we steal other people's stuff? I mean we're definately gonna put their name's on it. Besides every other damn site stole old CC's work. And also there is'nt any copyright.

[K-man]

Sorry I edited my post. I think that if he can get the author's permission it might be ok, but even then we'd need to run it past Matt just to be sure.

I first made the distinction, here, between these two muscles after reading a similar article at the site that shall not be named. To be honest, it would be a lot easier for me if that article could stay, but I dont see how it can, without being able to credit the source somehow.

[Codzilla]

And also there is'nt any copyright.

Good point. But then again, i'm sure the member who posted this in the other forum, got it from another website, which MAY be copyrighted. You never know.

[zwmusic]

I was thinking along the same lines about it, Cod. But, on second thought, K-Man have a point there. This article is probably not copyrighted, and it was posted on another PE forum. I don't really know if keeping this article here would create a problem for us. We should consult Matt first.

[Codzilla]

Sorry I edited my post. I think that if he can get the author's permission it might be ok, but even then we'd need to run it past Matt just to be sure.

I first made the distinction, here, between these two muscles after reading a similar article at the site that shall not be named. To be honest, it would be a lot easier for me if that article could stay, but I dont see how it can, without being able to credit the source somehow.

Good point there. Well swift looks like its gotta be removed then as the good old Mod says. Unless you can re-write the article in your own words i guess. But then again if K-Man is going to do it eventually, why waste the energy ay :wink:

EDIT: But i agree with Redwood and Music, if its not copyrighted, i cant see why it should be a problem to keep it. Its not theft, its just a sharing of information. P2P as it were.

[K-man]

Fuck why can't we steal other people's stuff?

Because we're better than that! :cool

And also there is'nt any copyright.

Maybe not, but it is someones intellectual property and as such it would be wrong, imo, to simply go ahead and take it without permission.

[zwmusic]

Fuck why can't we steal other people's stuff? I mean we're definately gonna put their name's on it. Besides every other damn site stole old CC's work. And also there is'nt any copyright.

The fact that other PE sites stole our work make them a bunch of scumbags. I don't want to be included in this category, thank you very much.

Also, the way this post reads, it looks like the writer did take information from other sources without attributing the source(s) as it appropriately should have been done. Therefore, I agree that this article shouldn't be here.

[Swift]

It was a post on a forum. That has been archived as
a best of type link in the main page, if that helps.

They also have an incredible post about Loss of Tug
and angle you should be stretching for optimal results.

[zwmusic]

I have an idea. I'll catch up with you later.

[Swift]

I just deleted it cuz I can copy and paste any time.
Let me know if you guys want it posted again.

[zwmusic]

Okay Swift. We'll let you know in due course. :cool

[K-man]

They also have an incredible post about Loss of Tug
and angle you should be stretching for optimal results.

There is at least one article within CC that involves LOT theory. I'll see if I can find it.

In the beginners section:

http://www.cheekycherry.com/ccforums/showthread.php?t=46

Shame on you for not having seen it already!! :lol: :wink:

[Steve Madden]

What about the thread you already started on penis anatomy? I felt like that discussion was headed in a nice direction. Why make a new thread?

[Swift]

I will add to that thread once I can add my own
ideas, you know. This was just a quote.

It just basically said that men kegel with BC muscles
which surround the internal penis, not with the PC muscles.
Basically PC muscles which surround the anus and above
the penis, doesn't need working. Although, some work
both by doing kegels. But I can feel the difference between
working either one.

And the LOT theory is interesting. It makes perfect sense to
me, since higher LOT supposedly means that the ligament is
higher up and tight, so stretching downwards can be an easy
way to lengthen the penis. If it's already low on the penis and
loose, low LOT, it's harder to get length cuz gains will come
from stretching the penis itself...

I have a really low LOT, btw. :cheeky:

[Steve Madden]

Very good...let's not let that other thread sink too low, that's all I'm sayign.

[G-Spot19]

Just to touch up on the thing about other sites stealing our work, you are right. They have. In the past, some of our members have left to other boards and have put alot of our info on those sites. I have literally seen posts copied straight from CC and posted on another PE site and nothing was said. The reason we wont do that, however, is because we are better than that. We dont need to steal other sites information. I have not seen the original article, so i have no clue to whether or not it should be here. But, i can tell you this. If you ever do post someones info from another site, you should always credit them and get their permission. So what if its not copy written. Its still morally wrong. Me and my rap associates have a saying. "If someone jacks your shit and spits it as their own, dont jack theirs back. Make something hotter and harder and prove to them that you are the realest motha fucka and better than they are." Same applies here. Be a bigger man. :cool

[Redwood]

I will add to that thread once I can add my own
ideas, you know. This was just a quote.

It just basically said that men kegel with BC muscles
which surround the internal penis, not with the PC muscles.
Basically PC muscles which surround the anus and above
the penis, doesn't need working. Although, some work
both by doing kegels. But I can feel the difference between
working either one.

And the LOT theory is interesting. It makes perfect sense to
me, since higher LOT supposedly means that the ligament is
higher up and tight, so stretching downwards can be an easy
way to lengthen the penis. If it's already low on the penis and
loose, low LOT, it's harder to get length cuz gains will come
from stretching the penis itself...

I have a really low LOT, btw. :cheeky:

Oh that... I know which forum is that. Its that forum EVERYONE would prefer to be a member in. Because they ALWAYS discuss about stuff that they found ELSEWHERE. No wonder its such a popular forum amongst pe-ers.

Dammit guys if we don't discuss about anything than how the heck do you thing we can make CC popular? Listen, we can not always come up with our own stuff. Someone is bound to bring up something long before we might even find it. By not posting important stuff from other places here new members will start looking elsewhere. I know forums that always discuss about exercises from elsewhere.

[Steve Madden]

Just a brief update on my PC (or whatever the hell it is) adventure: I've found that sort of testing my pointer finger along the crack of my ass helps me to detect the contract with each kegel. I've also found that over time making less and less contact seems to be more effective, as a more intense squeeze is require to move the anus/surrounding cheeks enough for the finger to feel it.

Don't mean to be too graphic (I've heard of people sticking their finger in their ass, but that's not going to happen) and I hope this isn't straying from the issue of this thread. Just wanted to put a breakthrough out there; I've had a hell of a time with kegels and today I actually feel a bit of a burn as the result of my workout!

Happy kegeling.

[G-Spot19]

Taking someones post directly and taking information, making it your own, and then posting it are two different things. We have had issues about it before. Read what i said about the rap game. You can easily take that info, make it your own completely and repost it swift. I dont give a shit about other forum's morals. We are better than that. With the users permission and the meber being credited, it is fine to copy and paste. Otherwise, do your own thing on the info you find.

[Redwood]

Just to touch up on the thing about other sites stealing our work, you are right. They have. In the past, some of our members have left to other boards and have put alot of our info on those sites. I have literally seen posts copied straight from CC and posted on another PE site and nothing was said. The reason we wont do that, however, is because we are better than that. We dont need to steal other sites information. I have not seen the original article, so i have no clue to whether or not it should be here. But, i can tell you this. If you ever do post someones info from another site, you should always credit them and get their permission. So what if its not copy written. Its still morally wrong. Me and my rap associates have a saying. "If someone jacks your shit and spits it as their own, dont jack theirs back. Make something hotter and harder and prove to them that you are the realest motha fucka and better than they are." Same applies here. Be a bigger man. :cool

If we are better than that why do we have so few active members? Remixes are better hits that are sellout. That beats the same shit.

[G-Spot19]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
You ever see how many members we had? The reason why is when we came here, it was like a new forum being sarted all over again. This place has the same name, but it has to rebuild. The old CC was the same way. Then we climbed it to the top of google and any search engine you can imagine. And we did it the same way that we will again. After that the explosion of members was crazy. I dont think you understand. We are not saying not to discuss shit from other sites. We are saying to make the info your own first and not copy and pasting it unless you get permission first and add credit to the sorce. A little known fact you may be interested to research. As a rapper and a person who puts my shit in the net at times, i learned that ANYTHING you write on the internet that is dated and under your name or screen name is in fact automatically copywritten and plagarism laws can be put into action. Not saying they would. I am saying it can happen.

[Redwood]

Whatever.

[Swift]

Damn I started this new stretching routine last Friday
and I thought I was genius for coming up with it but
I saw it on that site too. Damn it.

btw, I've been doing this for a month, and I didn't see
any gains but now I'm starting to see veins becoming
thicker and more visible. I tend to believe this is due
to my new routine I started last friday but a month
of newbie routine probably helped too. :twisted:

[G-Spot19]

Why the hell should it matter? What is the harm in making a fucking post your own before you post it. What you are asking us to do is illegal and we were faced with a damn near law suit over allegations of this in the past. What the fuck is so hard to understand that you have to come back at me with a "whatever". Blantant copied and pasted, non credited info will not be met with open arms on this forum, plain and simple. i tried to explain nicely, but i dont take well with some one being smug with me. Pisses me off. I dont want no more confrontation so, if this fact that we do not want non credied material on this site doesnt get through, i will see this thread closed. DO NOT PRMOTE COPY WRITING ON CC. Fuck what other forums do. Dont think if i saw a blatant copy of one of my articles on another thread without me being given credit, i would be pissed off big time. The person who reposted it put no effort in it and has no right to post it. If they asked, i may grant it to them as long as i am credited. Same here. Im making it simple. Make it your own or cite it or dont post it at all.

[G-Spot19]

Damn I started this new stretching routine last Friday
and I thought I was genius for coming up with it but
I saw it on that site too. Damn it.

btw, I've been doing this for a month, and I didn't see
any gains but now I'm starting to see veins becoming
thicker and more visible. I tend to believe this is due
to my new routine I started last friday but a month
of newbie routine probably helped too. :twisted:


Try this. i got this from another forum. I wont mention its name but a user there posted thiss routine. I asked him if i could share it and he asid it was okay so.........

Simple and it then becomes legal and he knows if he sees it, he is not being ripped off. If it is on that sites main information and stuff it shares without you being registered to it, then that is fine to post i would think.

Try this if that is the case...

On another PE forum, they have a link to this routine. It is a good routine and i thought i would share it here.

Take a look at when Valk reposted alot of our old stickies on this site. He says, first off, i did not come up with this information. It was originally posted by blah blah blah, i am just reposting it. Giving credit is that simple. Why then can it be such a big hassle and annoyance to piss somone of so bad to do it? :roll:

[Swift]

My orginal post was in a quote showing that I didn't write it
myself, and that it was from another site. I didn't want to
post anything that might be considered spam. I could have
created a new article and post it myself but I was lazy.
Also, you can't copyright ideas, but I do see your point
about just copying and pasting. Although I quoted, just didn't
put who. I get the big deal about legal issues, but personally
I don't really care about ownerships over posts that I make
on forums.

[G-Spot19]

I understand that. But you may be suprised that some people do. Like i said, we were threatened to be sued on the old boards because someone alleged we had taken their information without their permission. It can happen and it can piss some people off. Just sayin i got it elsewhere and then posting it isnt enough. Anyways, i am not angry at you. As a matter of a fact, i appreciate what you are doing for the boards as well as your intentions on this thread. And trust me, we have noticed the great work you have been doing and your name is being mentioned among us as a very helpfull and usefull member. Keep at it and i love what you are doing. Peace bro and much love :cool

[Swift]

I learn alot from everyone here so I wanted to add
to the sharing of ideas. :cheeky:

Anyway the basic concept to go away with from the
article was that men use BC muscles when kegeling,
instead of Pc mucles. The article went into more depth
about their structures and had pictures of the anatomy
in depth. The muscles around the anus is PC muscles btw,
so you wouldn't need to feel that according to them.
You just need to feel between nutsack and taint to see
if you're working the BC muscles.

[G-Spot19]

I have seen the post now( i have my ways :lol:) and i agree it is great information. I also like how you summarize it above. If Matt says that it is ok, it will be put back up. If not, you can still get the info on here. i have seen your other work and i am a fan. Cc thanks you for your effort as well. I know you could make it your own it if it came to that.

[Redwood]

Why the hell should it matter? What is the harm in making a fucking post your own before you post it. What you are asking us to do is illegal and we were faced with a damn near law suit over allegations of this in the past. What the fuck is so hard to understand that you have to come back at me with a "whatever". Blantant copied and pasted, non credited info will not be met with open arms on this forum, plain and simple. i tried to explain nicely, but i dont take well with some one being smug with me. Pisses me off. I dont want no more confrontation so, if this fact that we do not want non credied material on this site doesnt get through, i will see this thread closed. DO NOT PRMOTE COPY WRITING ON CC. Fuck what other forums do. Dont think if i saw a blatant copy of one of my articles on another thread without me being given credit, i would be pissed off big time. The person who reposted it put no effort in it and has no right to post it. If they asked, i may grant it to them as long as i am credited. Same here. Im making it simple. Make it your own or cite it or dont post it at all.

Why are you being a bitch now? I always said that you need to give credit to the original poster and mention their name before regurgitating their hard worked material out. Don't yell at me shit. :( :x

[Redwood]

Fuck why can't we steal other people's stuff? I mean we're definately gonna put their name's on it. Besides every other damn site stole old CC's work. And also there is'nt any copyright.

Nuff said. You're blowing off steam at me for no reason.

[Anthrax]

Redwood, you're amusing to watch from a distance... kind of like a grenade...

[Redwood]

Redwood, you're amusing to watch from a distance... kind of like a grenade...

Yeah be afraid and keep away from me.:cool

[Codzilla]

Redwood, you're amusing to watch from a distance... kind of like a grenade...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It is quite funny true. Red, do you tend to have a little bit of a temper in reality? Just wondering.

[K-man]

I've been doing a bit of digging and the most relevant thing I could find was this:

Q. I run a website and want to include material copied from another source, what should I do?
A. Be aware that copying material from another source without the author's authorisation constitutes copyright infringement. Websites often allow use of their resources for free, but this would not usually authorise users to copy the information. If you wish to include information (including images) from another website, you should request a licence (i.e., an authorisation) from the owner of insert a link to the material.
Content supplied by BPP


Source: http://www.own-it.org/ipinfo/

This site deals in advice over intellectual property rights.

[zwmusic]

My orginal post was in a quote showing that I didn't write it
myself, and that it was from another site. I didn't want to
post anything that might be considered spam. I could have
created a new article and post it myself but I was lazy.

Write an article on kegels, Swift. It would be great for CC to have contributions like yours. :cool

[Codzilla]

At the end of the day the moral of the story is we are exercising something called a BC instead of the common PC. BAM there it is in my own words. Its not like we been doing the exercise wrong, since the BC still helps with stronger erections and bloodflow. Copying material is a copyright infringement according to K-Mans post above. End of story.

[Steve Madden]

Fuck all of you.....no one cares about my kegel progress.....no one cares about me at all. Poor me. Boo, hoo, hoo.

[K-man]

At the end of the day the moral of the story is we are exercising something called a BC instead of the common PC. BAM there it is in my own words.

:lol: :lol: Nicely done!!

I'll post a slightly more in depth explanation in the not too distant future.


And Steve, I'm very happy for you! :wink: :lol: :lol:

[Redwood]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It is quite funny true. Red, do you tend to have a little bit of a temper in reality? Just wondering.

Not really, I seldom get the need to lose my temper. Maybe when I find my topics abit difficult and can't seem to figure... yeah that gets me at times.

[Tiger_Penis]

Fuck all of you.....no one cares about my kegel progress.....no one cares about me at all. Poor me. Boo, hoo, hoo.

Your right Steve, we all hate you...:lol: :cool

Ok, quick question, I found the PC muscle by stopping my flow of urine. Is this still the correct way to find it? If not, how DO I find it?

[K-man]

The basic premise of the exercise does not change at all. Everything you've ever read about kegels is valid, other than the fact that it is the BC muscle you are working rather than the PC. Just a question of terminology, thats all.

[Steve Madden]

So it's the BC for both forcing trying to urinate and stopping the flow of urine? This makes sense to me (relaxing vs. contracting) but I just want to be clear now that I've gotten the emotions out of my system.

[Steve Madden]

:lol: :lol: Nicely done!!

I'll post a slightly more in depth explanation in the not too distant future.


And Steve, I'm very happy for you! :wink: :lol: :lol:

Thanks buddy. A little support goes a long way.:P :D

[Swift]

So it's the BC for both forcing trying to urinate and stopping the flow of urine? This makes sense to me (relaxing vs. contracting) but I just want to be clear now that I've gotten the emotions out of my system.

Yeah, it's all BC (muscles between the base and taint) Don't worry
about flexing the muscles around your anus cuz that's PC.

[G-Spot19]

I've been doing a bit of digging and the most relevant thing I could find was this:

Q. I run a website and want to include material copied from another source, what should I do?
A. Be aware that copying material from another source without the author's authorisation constitutes copyright infringement. Websites often allow use of their resources for free, but this would not usually authorise users to copy the information. If you wish to include information (including images) from another website, you should request a licence (i.e., an authorisation) from the owner of insert a link to the material.
Content supplied by BPP


Source: http://www.own-it.org/ipinfo/

This site deals in advice over intellectual property rights.

Thank you!!!! Like i said, it does become copyright infringement. You not only have to post the source, but get their permission too. So i was not just blowing off steam man. I as trying to explain what we are supposed to do or we COULD get in big trouble.

[Codzilla]

Yeah, it's all BC (muscles between the base and taint) Don't worry
about flexing the muscles around your anus cuz that's PC.

Huh? Are you sure about that swift? What muscle do you flex when you're doing your kegels then? When you squeeze its that muscle that runs from the anus, thorugh the gooch to the base of the penis, so what do you mean dont worry about it? Thats the muscle we're trying to work is it not?

[Swift]

Huh? Are you sure about that swift? What muscle do you flex when you're doing your kegels then? When you squeeze its that muscle that runs from the anus, thorugh the gooch to the base of the penis, so what do you mean dont worry about it? Thats the muscle we're trying to work is it not?

BC muscles surround the taint and base of your penis. PC muscles surround
the anus and then goes above the penis.

[Codzilla]

Well thats a bit shit, when i kegel my it gets tight around my anus, so does that mean i am doing it wrong?

[zwmusic]

Swift, we have the feedback from Matt. As I previously thought, the article should be credited, but linking to other forums is a no no here. Therefore the article has to bite the dust.

Thanks for clearly stating that the article was from another PE forum. It avoided future trouble with other PE forums.

[Codzilla]

Send it to me in an email and i'll completely re-write it if you want. I got plenty of time lately. Up to you though, if you want to do it then shoot.

[Swift]

It doesn't mean you're doing it wrong according to the article.
It means you're working both BC and PC at the same time, which
is okay too. I just work the BC muscles because I heard that over
working the PC muscles can cause premature ejaculation.

Also, the best part of the article was the pictures and detailed
all the anatomy, so I dont' think it's necessary to rewrite as we
already know the main point.

[Codzilla]

What do you mean you work just the BC muscle? Its not possible to do a kegel without feeling a squeeze around your anus. So you cant be working JUST your BC muscle.

[K-man]

As the muscle gets stronger you start to notice two distinct stages to the flex. You may even be able to notice it now as you relax the muscle. The first stage of the flex is the BC and the second is the PC. So for the time being you are working both, but in time you will be able to isolate the BC and leave out the second stage of the flex as it is not required.

[Codzilla]

Hmm thats very interesting Kman, and swift thanks, this thread has been very useful and enlightening. Cheers bud.

[G-Spot19]

I agree. See. YOu guys have managed through the discussions to get the point of the thread through without copy writing someone's material. Kudos and i love the way you handled it swift. You are nice fit to the CC family. Peace :cool

[Rum_Runner]

http://loveandhealth.worldgroups.com/Article.cfm?Topic=9&SubTopic=6&Article=242

thought this article could be usefull.

[G-Spot19]

"For men, put a finger on the perineum, which is the area of skin between the scrotum and anus (you may have to lift your penis and scrotum out of the way). Tighten your anal muscles as though you are trying to prevent gas from escaping. Inhale, and then exhale while squeezing and pulling your naval in towards your spine. This will cause you to feel a lifting up of the perineum"


Interesting way to find the pelvic floor muscles:lol:

[Steve Madden]

All that naval moving sounds complicated; I already do the rest though and have found it very helpful. I tend to rest the finger in the asscrack itself, though.

[Rum_Runner]

Now thats what I am talking about:mrgreen

[G-Spot19]

:lol::lol::lol:
Although, a note, i thought that we should learn to isolate the muscles. Not suck in our navel

[RiccardoGueli]

Damn I started this new stretching routine last Friday
and I thought I was genius for coming up with it but
I saw it on that site too. Damn it.

btw, I've been doing this for a month, and I didn't see
any gains but now I'm starting to see veins becoming
thicker and more visible. I tend to believe this is due
to my new routine I started last friday but a month
of newbie routine probably helped too. :twisted:

Swift, take this as a good sign. Pretty much, it means you need no penis enlargement PILLS as now your penis is capacitated to hold more blood and have more blood pumped into it. This in turn means you will potentially heal more quickly (and therefore gain size faster as your penis' tissue rebuilds using the nutrients in more blood).

There is, however, one important caveat: the QUALITY of your blood should be good. In other words, you will get results faster with blood that's dense with healing nutrients, as opposed to, blood laided with toxic waste from junk food, nutrient-deficient processed/food, etc. For now, suffice it to say: think of nutrition mechanisms employed in bodybuilding... ;)

I am about to make post about this soon.

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Sincerely,

Riccardo Gueli - Author: No Links!!!
How I've Discovered A Secret "Recipe" Of Three Foods That Springboard Your Sexuality Ahead Of The Rest Of The Male Population. :)