look what they did now

[soserious]

The Queen has outlined the Government's ambitious plans - ranging from identity cards to new immigration controls - for the next parliamentary session.

"My government will build on its programme of reform and accelerate modernisation of the public services to promote opportunity and fairness," Queen Elizabeth said in a ceremony in Parliament's House of Lords, raising the curtain on a historic third straight term for the Labour party.

Of the 45 Bills and five draft Bills unveiled, the Identity Cards Bill is one of the most controversial measures and looks set to be a key test of Tony Blair's reduced majority.

The Government's first attempt at introducing the cards, which would eventually be compulsory, fell at the last session.

With Labour's majority slashed from 161 to 67 in the election, Ministers have hinted at concessions on the Bill in an attempt to win over some critics on the backbenches.

The Government has said the cards, available to everyone legally resident in the UK, will help Britain "meet the challenges of the 21st century".

They will help protect people from identity fraud and theft, disrupt the use of false and multiple identities by terrorists and other criminals and tackle illegal working and immigration abuse, according to the Queen's Speech.

Critics of the plans fear they will curb civil liberties.

The speech also outlined the Immigration and Asylum Bill which will create a points-based system for migrants who want to work in the UK, preventing low-skilled immigrants from settling here.

The Government says the scheme will increase public confidence in the immigration system by "allowing controlled immigration where it is in the UK's interest and preventing it where it is not".

According to the Queen's Speech, the Bill will also see new technology help "deter and identify" illegal immigrants.

Newly-returned Work and Pensions Secretary David Blunkett will try to steer through a new crackdown on incapacity benefits.

The aim of the Incapacity Benefits Bill is to build on the recent fall in numbers claiming the present benefit, and what Ministers say is the success of "Pathways to Work" pilot schemes.

The present benefit will be scrapped for new claimants and a regime introduced which will see a sliding scale of benefits which come into play as those unable to work go through the new scheme.

Story filed: 12:52:11 Tuesday 17 May 2005

this is making me so crazy angry.
if/when it comes into effect therell be blue murder i swear to god.
i didnt vote for this government. i gotta skip this post now or im gonna start yelling mad obscenities and smashing the fuck out of my apartment/flat and getting spots in my vision from shouting so loud and hard.
*not joking-i could kill for this insult*

[Matt]

I will NEVER carry an ID card, even if it ever is made the law.

With regard to immigration, quotas and skill based entry is a good idea.

[soserious]

I will NEVER carry an ID card, even if it ever is made the law.

With regard to immigration, quotas and skill based entry is a good idea.

damn right Matt!!!!!!!!!
i second that!

[Valk]

Carrying an ID card is mandatory for a while here. I used to carry it with me even before is became mandatory. If I dont put it in my wallet I probably lose it in the mess called my house.

Anyway, when are they gonna introduce birth-control over there?

[Ordo Ferrum]

Lol birth control, whatever do you mean?

On a more serious side, personally i dont see anything wrong with those changes specially the immigration laws and the benefits, it will get the right people out of the country and keep them out, and stop those lazy people with "back problems" from being lazy. As far the cards i totally think that is a great idea what a good way to stop illegal buying of alcohol and tobacco.

[soserious]

fuck government.
fuck anyone who dares to fuck with me and dares to threaten me unless i do exactly as they say, i am no-ones bitch.
period.

ss

[Ordo Ferrum]

Your, your own bitch i would say :wink:

[soserious]

ooooo looking for bloodshed???
actually in a matter of speaking you are correct :wink:
no bloodshed for you :mrgreen
PEACE!

ss

[Godma]

There's talk of making I.D cards mandatory, and not carrying them an offence. However, this won't happen for ages.

First I reckon they'll make them optional for U.K residents, but mandatory for immigrants (legal ones). Then after a couple of years everyone will need one whenever they use the NHS, claim benefit etc. Then a couple more years down the line will be the law that states you MUST carry the card for random inspections from nosy policemen who have nothing better to do.

They can get bent, in my opinion. The more they try to tag us like sheep, the more I consider and/or commit fraud. I.D cards can, in short, suck my dick.

[soserious]

yay!
im not alone on this issue! :mrgreen
i second what Matt said and i second what Godma said! :mrgreen

ss

[Baseballer8]

How are these cards different then say a driver's license?

[Shane_Bos]

I dont think its as bad as people are making it out to be. I dont see the big problem, its just a card, and we're all labelled anyway, yknow with passports and crap. The only bad thing will be the money spent on it, the rest wont change much.

[Valk]

Shane's right, it really isnt a big deal. Its mandatory here for ages already and no cop has ever stopped me to frisk me.
Unless you look like a immigrant or a bum, they will leave you alone.

[soserious]

its the point of it.
no, it is as bad as it seems, look at the big picture, the longterm effects, the creeping police states and governments with more and more control.
very creepy.

we got along FINE without this crap before, we dont need it. its designed to have us trackable, traceable and under control.
ask yourself why is that?
for whom?
the answer is not neccesarily your first thought..

[Godma]

Unless you look like a immigrant or a bum, they will leave you alone.
So as long as you don't look like a criminal stereotype, it's okay...

Sure, we're all labelled already and in a big, jock-off database - so why do they want to give us all barcodes, or put our freakin' DNA on a piece of plastic?

I went to NYC a few months back, and the rent-a-cops at airport security took both index fingerprints and a picture of my freakin' face. And no doubt they still have my sexiness on file - they wouldn't exactly delete it on my departure!

It's getting to the point where the state resembles Big Brother from Orwell's 1984 - these I.D cards are only furthering that system.

It probably sounds like I care passionately about this subject, but in truth, this whole Big Brother thing just makes my cock fighting and international arms smuggling more and more difficult.

Too many forms to fill in!

[Shane_Bos]

If it stops criminals then fine by me, im sure most will never even be bothered by these cards, except the extra space in your wallet they assume.

[soserious]

yes George Orwell, this is the name i was trying to think of.
again, i second that.

Dna profiling, iris scan, pictures blah, for whom? they want control. they do not have the right to do so, so the only way they can is through stealth and by bullying and threats if you dont comply (huh, law...)

Godma, yeah i heard its like that in the U.S thats something which would put me off to a degree even going there (some might ask why, if i have nothing to hide. but that logic is wrong. since if i did nothing wrong WHY shouldi be subjected to that BS in the first place? under whos authority? with my permission?..i think not).

ss

[Godma]

Exactly! My Bad Motherfucker wallet is already full of cards I need.

And yeah, if it stops criminals then it's good. But anonymity is useful, and I want it...

[soserious]

If it stops criminals then fine by me, im sure most will never even be bothered by these cards, except the extra space in your wallet they assume.


it WONT stop real criminals
it WILL be another breach of human rights.
and i dont carry a wallet personally.

[Godma]

It might deter a few of the dipshit criminals, but real crews won't be affected by it too much.

[Valk]

So as long as you don't look like a criminal stereotype, it's okay...

Sure, we're all labelled already and in a big, jock-off database - so why do they want to give us all barcodes, or put our freakin' DNA on a piece of plastic?

I went to NYC a few months back, and the rent-a-cops at airport security took both index fingerprints and a picture of my freakin' face. And no doubt they still have my sexiness on file - they wouldn't exactly delete it on my departure!

It's getting to the point where the state resembles Big Brother from Orwell's 1984 - these I.D cards are only furthering that system.

It probably sounds like I care passionately about this subject, but in truth, this whole Big Brother thing just makes my cock fighting and international arms smuggling more and more difficult.

Too many forms to fill in!

True, but of all the attempts to Orwell our states, the I.D. cards is the least privacy invading.
Yes, its true that I dont mind those I.D cards because cops usually leave me alone. But isnt that just how we are? If we dont get bothered by it, we just dont care.
Now if you talk about hanging fucking cameras on every streetcorner, then you'll get me mad. Today I even heard an unusual click when I picked up the phone.

[Ordo Ferrum]

Trying to keep your anonymity, isnt exactly worth while is it? Why bother unless you have something to hide?

[Godma]

Then you won't mind me posting your home telephone number! :wink:

[Ordo Ferrum]

Oh come on, lol thats not gonna be apart of the ID cards lol, but still im all for them it stops certain things i would like stopped like underage alcohol sale, due to false ID's along with using them to get into clubs underage.

[Godma]

Your phone number won't be a part of the cards?!

They're talking about chip and pin, DNA, fingerprints...phone numbers pale in comparison.

Oh, homes addresses would definitely be on there.

[soserious]

Godma isnt kidding.
then think how far itll go in a few yars more..
anyone who thinks ID cards are no big deal is sadly naive. :cry:

[Shane_Bos]

Maybe you're just being narrow minded SS, i guess we'll have to wait and see who hold the stronger opinion.

[Spike]

Great idea - I think I'll apply for 3 or 4 in different names, might come in handy. :lol:

[soserious]

Maybe you're just being narrow minded SS, i guess we'll have to wait and see who hold the stronger opinion.


how the hell can i POSSIBLY be being narrow minded?
if anything im being open minded seeing all the likely shit rather then just ignoring it and assuming itll be ok.

if the government gets nuked where it stands by a disgruntled child of the ancestors of this here land then theyve only got themselves to blame.

[Shane_Bos]

You're being narrow minded as you refuse to except any good can come of it. I accept that it has i high monetary cost and i can see where you're coming from with the labeling and shit but i cant see how its as bad as you're making it out to be.

[soserious]

naive bro.
naive.
no disrespect to you, but dude..

[Shane_Bos]

Its just a justified opinion, just as yours, call me naive when the UK breaks down because of a couple of ID cards.

No disrespect to you too SS. Love ya :wink:

[Ordo Ferrum]

Im with Shane here but i would say more good can come from them than other countries, look at the major european countries. Ther are far more developed than the UK, Thier health systems are better thier public transport they have lower taxes, the whole shabang and they have ID cards, why does that say its gonna be bad having them in this country?

[soserious]

you dont seem to have gathered the REAL concept behind ID cards, and if you have then theres not a lot to say.
why not just let them brand you with a bar code and offer them youre nuts while youre letting them fuck you?
wake up people.

i submit to no-one.

[Spike]

For all practical purposes you need ID now.
If you use a mobile phone, you even got GPS to track you down. :lol:

[Bobo]

I don't care if someone/something is tracking me. I always shut off my phone before making a hit, and I usually do it indoors or in the darkness of the night, silently. :wink:

[Shane_Bos]

you dont seem to have gathered the REAL concept behind ID cards, and if you have then theres not a lot to say.
why not just let them brand you with a bar code and offer them youre nuts while youre letting them fuck you?
wake up people.

i submit to no-one.

Why is it the real concept? You make it out that the governments is just doing this to 'brand you with a barcode'. Despite this has already been done to an extent, why cant their reason be that they want to stop imigrants or use them to lower crime etc?

[BIGOKE]

Guys the government needs to know a lot of things about the populace. One way of keeping a census is based on ID numbers issued. Also by having one it provides quick identification for all manner of things like banking property and living in a country. We have had ID for years. In the old days it was to distinguish race and political alignment. But there aint nothing we can do today without the card or number. Basically if you don't have it you cant get social security, welfare, or even a job that is worth doing. You have to be registered. By registering yourself you gaurentee your full rights as a citizen. If you are annonymous then you practically become an alien in your own land. From that point of view it definitely does help control foreigners in your country. I must say that I am not to comfortable with all the information about me thats available. But I have to accept it as a part of life. I am neither for or against this argument.

[Bobo]

We are all a part of this greedy system, and that's the way - aha - aha - I like it... not.