LOT theory

[Valk]

What the logic behind the LOT-theory?
The lenght of your ligs dont say anything about the stretching capabilities of them.

[wern]

I think it is that once your tug back is gone, it means your ligs are more susceptible to stretching because "they aren't fighting anymore'. I don't agree with it, but I think that's where they are coming from

[Valk]

Hmmm...I think I have some reading to do.

I did came across this:

The shorter, tighter, or higher the ligs, the more ‘inner’ penis, and the more quick, easy gains which are possible, and possibly the more total gains which are possible as the ligs are lengthened.

Which suggest the lenght of ligs + inner penis is the same with anybody.
But I dont think you can make that assumption.

[Spike]

I think it is that once your tug back is gone, it means your ligs are more susceptible to stretching because "they aren't fighting anymore'.

I read it was the angle at which LOT appears - the lower it is, the less gains from stretchy ligs.
If you get to 6 O'clock and no LOT then that's it - all stretched out or the opposite to what you said.

But I personally thought LOT theory was a load of crap.

[wern]

As do I. Sometimes I have LOT sometimes I don't.

[Valk]

Also the LOT-theory suggests a relationship between the BC muscle (when you perform a kegel) and the ligs, which I dont think there is.
I think the ligaments are totally out of this. I believe in only depends on the angle between your penis and the BC muscle.

After my workout I will get back on this.

[wern]

I'm waiting for a status report on your PE'ing

[Valk]

Ok, here we go

http://img14.imgspot.com/u/05/123/12/suspensoryligamentsI.jpg

In the pic, find the Bulbosponiosus Muscle. Also called the bulbocavernosus muscle or the BC muscle. Contrary to popular belief, I believe this is the muscle we use when we perform kegels.
The BC muscle is attached on two sites of the pelvic bone, so the angle of this muscle does not change.
In the picture you see that the muscle has a slight upward gradient, pointing at about 10:00. You will get the strongest tugback if your penis is in line with your BC muscle. As you get lower and lower, the tugback will be less noticeable.
In other words, with the LOT theory you are determing the angle of your penis (the penis) in relation to your pelvis.

[wern]

I used to think the BP/BC muscle was more responsible for erection strength than the PC but I did some research on it and only found that the muscle aids in the final stages of ejaculation, just to clear the passage-ways. So I am a little skeptical that it is the major contributor to erection strength. But I am pretty sure you can exercise it with kegels, as long as you do very intense kegels where it feels like a secondary muscle is flexed.

[Valk]

Some definitions I found on the web:

"Bulbospongiosus is one of the superficial muscles of the perineum. It has a slightly different origin, insertion and function in males and females. In both sexes, it is innervated by the deep/muscular branch of the perineal nerve, which is a branch of the pudendal nerve. In males it contributes to erection, ejaculation, and the feelings of orgasm. In females it closes the vagina and contributes to the feelings of orgasm"

"a muscle of the perineum, the area between the anus and the genitals. In the male, it surrounds the bulb (the enlarged inner end of the structure that surrounds the urethra) of the penis and can be contracted to expel the last drops of urine or semen. In the female it is divided into halves that extend from just behind the clitoris to the central tendon of the perineum and"

[wern]

The second definition is closer to what I have found. The first definition is broad and vague.

[Thought Pro]

I think LOT is just under-simplified bullshite.

If you look at erection angle, It should give you an idea of the stretching capabilities...so if it's at 90 degree angle...you got much less than if it was ~150.

IMO, stretching has about 30-35% weighted importance, while the various forms of jelqing make up the other 65-70%.

Moreover, stretching just seems like a necessary precursor for the jelq.

[Valk]

If you look at erection angle, It should give you an idea of the stretching capabilities...so if it's at 90 degree angle...you got much less than if it was ~150.


I agree about that the LOT theory is bullshit but I have three comments:

1) If I understand it right you say that your erection angle is only related to the lenght of your ligs, but I dont think thats actually true.

2) Why cant someone with longer ligs stretch the ligs as far as someone with shorter ligs? Everybody is different and I dont think there is a 1 to 1 relation between lig lenght and stretching capabilities.

3) The ligs isnt the only thing that gets stretched by stretches. The penis itself is stretched too.

But you're right, we're making too much of a deal out of this.