5HR RULE..tought i'd clarify it...

[MaxXx]

So i was wondering how many follow the 5hr rule and how many don't....

[ArTee63]

So, so.

Say, what's with all the polls? :P

[MaxXx]

my bad ...i think it's easier than asking a bunch of question...anywayz i'm done...peace :P

[ArTee63]

No complaints. Just curious. Poll at will. :P

[wern]

I think he is following in Katsz's footsteps :lol:

[Katsz]

Nothing wrong with that. Polls are fun! :D

[wern]

I don't know about that... maybe we should create a poll to find out :P

[MaxXx]

you do that wernstrum!!! :P

[Clockers]

I don't know about that... maybe we should create a poll to find out :P


Lol.

[Ed]

The statistics are quite educational and useful. Did you know that 63.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

[wern]

yes but the survey that reported that had a statistic error of 51.8545%

[Ed]

but only during a full moon

[zwmusic]

So,so.

[Shane_Bos]

Most statistics are either bullshit or manipuleted to prove whatever point the person is trying to prove. Especially visual stats like graphs and stuff. You have to be carefull.

[MagnumXL]

fuck The 5 Hour Rule!!!!!!

[Clockers]

:lol: Most of the time i will 'Obey' the 5 hour rule, but there are those times when i would say the same thing. :lol:

[BIGOKE]

I broke it for the first time last night. :puke: Damn but it was good. :twisted:

[Bobo]

It would be weird if breaking the rule wouldn't feel good.

[BIGOKE]

It was so good that the cum flew above head height and if it wasn't for the wall it would of landed about 5 feet away. That hasn't happened since the 80's.

[fastgc]

What is the 5 hr rule? :?

[Bobo]

What is the 5 hr rule? :?

It's a theory saying don't ejaculate 5hr pre- or post PE workouts, bad for the gains they suppose. I'm not convinced because I gained well without obeying the rule... difficult to say if it's true or not.

[WestLAguy]

With a house full of kids, it's hard for me to find time for both PE'ing OR masturbation, let alone both. And BOTH are a necessity. I have no sex-life, so if I don't masturbate, I go a little nuts, and that's not acceptable when you have a house full of kids.

So sometimes I have to use what little free alone time I do have to do both.

I still haven't managed to get a regular PE schedule working for more than a week at a time yet, so I don't have any results to post.

[Bobo]

Just keep trying, man! What's with the poor sex life? Marriage?

[WestLAguy]

Just keep trying, man! What's with the poor sex life? Marriage?

Yes. Well, marriage and kids. We haven't had sex in over three years. If I didn't have kids, the marriage would be a moot point because I would just leave. But the kids' well-being comes first, and having two parents in the house is more important than my getting laid.

We're not a very affectionate couple, but we are relatively respectful of each other, and we rarely fight, so the kids are not in an awful home environment. It's not ideal for them, but it could be worse.

The last kid will graduate in seven years. After that, I'm gone.

[Bobo]

We haven't had sex in over three years. If I didn't have kids, the marriage would be a moot point because I would just leave. But the kids' well-being comes first, and having two parents in the house is more important than my getting laid.
I respect that, but... sorry for me saying this but Your wife really knows nothing about men. She may think about the well-being of the kids, but how about You? God I hate it when some women don't understand that men need sex. That's just sick... three years?! :shock: You need to have an serious discussion about it with Your wife because that isn't healthy at all. You both should see a doctor because it isn't normal if a woman has no need for sex. Her hormone levels may be a mess. Seriously, man... go to some sort of pro and talk about that situation. Having kids and taking care of them is a good thing, but You're a human being with needs too! Damn... :x

[WestLAguy]

I respect that, but... sorry for me saying this but Your wife really knows nothing about men. She may think about the well-being of the kids, but how about You? God I hate it when some women don't understand that men need sex. That's just sick... three years?! :shock: You need to have an serious discussion about it with Your wife because that isn't healthy at all. You both should see a doctor because it isn't normal if a woman has no need for sex. Her hormone levels may be a mess. Seriously, man... go to some sort of pro and talk about that situation. Having kids and taking care of them is a good thing, but You're a human being with needs too! Damn... :x

Thanks Bobo.

You're right. She knows nothing about men. Or she knows and doesn't care.

The idea of staying together for the well-being of the kids is MY idea, not hers.

We have had numerous extremely lengthy discussions regarding the situation, ever since it first started, approximately 14 years ago. We used to have the discussions every 3 or 4 months. We would have a long talk, I would make my needs known, she would have no explanation for her lack of drive, but she would have sex for several days, and then she would go back to being completely asexual. The talks are very exhausting, and they are the exact same conversation every time, so the time between talks increased each year. I finally gave up on talking, as it resolved nothing.

She has worked for a gynecologist/fertility specialist since before she met me. Technically she knows more about hormone levels and medical sex issues than anybody I've ever met.

She was not always like this. For the first 5 or 6 years, she was one of the best sex-partners I ever had. She was always ready, always very giving and accomodating, always enjoyed it and always orgasmed, . Then it all came to a screeching halt. No explanation. She knows its a problem, but she can't explain it, and doesn't seem to care enough to do anything about it.

It sucks. But for the most part, I can survive with internet porn and masturbation until I'm out of here. I suppose might have an affair sometime, maybe, but I never seem to have the time. It doesn't help that I don't have much money, since I started having kids before I was successful, business-wise. Having kids, and not having money = not having much time for a life.

I strongly suggest that all you young guys in here pay attention to that last statement.

[Bobo]

I hope You will find a solution before You suddenly notice You've wasted too much time. I was married too once, ten years relationship and six years of marriage, no kids. For some reason she lost her sex drive suddenly and it never came back. But it wasn't three years or something, we did have sex at least 5-10 times/year, after some embarassing conversations. We are sexual beings and we need sex, that's a fact that nothing can change. I hope things will get better for You.

[Valk]

Damn! That sounds awfully depressing.

Is it just lack of sexdrive or has it something to do with your too? Like you're not interesting or arousing to her anymore.

7 years + 1 inch a year length gain = 7 inches lenght gain = too hot for your pants!

[Bobo]

Is it just lack of sexdrive or has it something to do with your too? Like you're not interesting or arousing to her anymore.
It isn't easy to keep sex interesting enough in a long relationship, but the man can't do wonders alone, takes two to tango. If the woman simply isn't interested in even trying anymore, there's nothing to be done. Difficult to make it interesting if the woman only lays on the bed like a dead fish if/when the miracle happens that she will even try out of pity or something. After it's over she can take it easy (=no sex for any reason) for a month or two when she has performed her duty. :x

[WestLAguy]

I hope You will find a solution before You suddenly notice You've wasted too much time. I was married too once, ten years relationship and six years of marriage, no kids. For some reason she lost her sex drive suddenly and it never came back. But it wasn't three years or something, we did have sex at least 5-10 times/year, after some embarassing conversations. We are sexual beings and we need sex, that's a fact that nothing can change. I hope things will get better for You.


I've tried everything already. Things will not get better until I leave.

I've given up on solutions. All I have left now is my decision.

And my decision is to stay until the kids have finished developing their roots. My happiness is too closely tied to their development. If I screw them up, then nothing else will make up for it, not even a good sex-life.

[WestLAguy]

Damn! That sounds awfully depressing.

Yes, it is depressing.

Is it just lack of sexdrive or has it something to do with your too? Like you're not interesting or arousing to her anymore.

What does it matter? Either way, there is nothing I can do about it.

If it's lack of sex drive, there is nothing that I can do about that. She already tried hormone replacement therapy, although as I recall, that was for other health-related problems, rather than for her sex-drive. But the reason for the therapy is irrelevant, as it is still the same medicine.

She didn't hit menopause until about seven years after she lost her sex-drive.

If I am no longer interesting or arousing to her, there is nothing I can do about that. In the past, I have tried being romantic,attentive and affectionate without being sexually demanding. I could usually keep this up for about three months before becoming too frustrated to continue. Then I would just become a walking container of bottled-up anger, resentment and frustration, until our next deep discussion regarding the situation. Then we would have sex for the next two or three nights, four at the most. After that, she would go right back to being completely asexual.

Oh, and as a lover, I was always extremely unhurried, unselfish, giving and knowledgeble. I spent most of my post-pubescent life studying and practicing good love-making techniques. I never lost interest in her, or became less giving in bed. And she always kept herself in very good shape.

She always had at least one orgasm just about every time we made love. She did fake one or two orgasms after she lost interest. It was very obvious because she was not very good at faking it. That was right before she just stopped altogether.

In bed, I used to sleep spooning, with my arm around her every night. She would actually pull my arm around her. After the change, she could no longer stand to have my hand on her. It was always either "too hot, too cold, too heavy and uncomfortable (making it hard for her to breathe easily), too ticklish, or too irritating." The same thing went for any part of my body touching her, so spooning was out, along with ANY physical contact at all.

[WestLAguy]

7 years + 1 inch a year length gain = 7 inches lenght gain = too hot for your pants!
Yes, I am hoping that by the time I leave, I will be equipped with at least a couple extra inches.

[Valk]

Well, good luck to you sir!

If you want I can hook you up with some great free porn, to get through these last seven years. :P

[Bobo]

Seven years... damn. :x

[WestLAguy]

Well, good luck to you sir!

If you want I can hook you up with some great free porn, to get through these last seven years. :P

As long as it's not fat chick porn, I'm in.

[Dong_Johnson]

Sounds like something happened or resurfaced to suddenly put her off sex. Maybe ask there is some deep-rooted reason she doesn't want to do it anymore, a bad experience at a young age etc.....or maybe just maybe she found something out about your past that repulsed her that much, but she doesn't want to say it to you. Not trying to sound harsh or accuse you or anything, just giving possibilities.
Try asking her about these.

Bridge that gap!

[Bobo]

Sometimes having a kid can mess up their hormone levels. Some get fat, some start nagging like hell... and sadly some loose their sex drive.

[Valk]

As long as it's not fat chick porn, I'm in.

Well, they fill in request so anorexic or obese, you can have it all. :P
Its a forum.

[Valk]

Sometimes having a kid can mess up their hormone levels. Some get fat, some start nagging like hell... and sadly some loose their sex drive.

And most get all of these simultanously.

[WestLAguy]

Sounds like something happened or resurfaced to suddenly put her off sex. 1.) Maybe. If so, she has not felt compelled to tell me about it.
2.) Maybe not. Sometimes women just lose their sex drive. It happens. And it's not uncommon.

Maybe ask there is some deep-rooted reason she doesn't want to do it anymore, a bad experience at a young age etcMaybe. If so, she has not felt compelled to tell me about it.

.....or maybe just maybe she found something out about your past that repulsed her that much, but she doesn't want to say it to you.Maybe. I do have a past.

But if that IS the reason, there is little I can do about it. I can't change my past.

Not trying to sound harsh or accuse you or anything, just giving possibilities.No problem. This is an anonymous forum, so I'm not embarrassed to answer questions here.

Try asking her about these.

Bridge that gap! We have had a dozen long, deep and exhausting conversations, each lasting about three hours, over a period of approximately ten years. The length of time between conversations increased each year. Everything gets aired out. She seems to understand, improves for 3 or 4 days, and then forgets everything that was said. Each conversation has been a virtual carbon copy of the previous one.

[WestLAguy]

Well, they fill in request so anorexic or obese, you can have it all. :P
Its a forum.Okay. I'm game.

[WestLAguy]

Sometimes having a kid can mess up their hormone levels. Some get fat, some start nagging like hell... and sadly some loose their sex drive.She was fine after the first two kids. She changed sometime after the third one.

She never got fat. In fact, she actually works very hard to stay in incredible shape.

All things considered, such as the state of our marriage and situation, she is not much of a nag.

In fact, except for her cluelessness regarding the sex situation, she is one of the finest women I have ever known, and I hope that our children grow up to be a lot like her.

[Bobo]

Sounds like there are two reasons for Your determination to stay in the relationship: kids and love. A difficult situation, I know... I'm still in love with my ex wife despite the fact that I was the one who first wanted to divorce. If we would have kids, I believe we would still be married. You stay there as long as You feel is ok, but after that You must learn to listen to Your own needs too. All we have is this one life and there are no guarantees on any kind of overtime after death.

[Valk]

Okay. I'm game.

Okay, its topsecret so I will sent instructions through email.
If you dont want to post your email here, email your email adress to my email adress, which is.

valkchirurg@hotmail.com

[zwmusic]

So i was wondering how many follow the 5hr rule and how many don't....

I'm sure celibate monks and priests can follow the 5hr rule with no problems at all.

[WestLAguy]

Sounds like there are two reasons for Your determination to stay in the relationship: kids and love. A difficult situation, I know... I'm still in love with my ex wife despite the fact that I was the one who first wanted to divorce. If we would have kids, I believe we would still be married. You stay there as long as You feel is ok, but after that You must learn to listen to Your own needs too. All we have is this one life and there are no guarantees on any kind of overtime after death.
No, there's just one reason. Kids.

I do respect her, but I would have been out of here 15 years ago if we did not have kids. I'm here for a very definite amount of time. Kids grown up and moved out = I'm out of here. I won't be here after that.

I don't have any animosity toward her. I have no grudge against taking care of her, financially, after we split up. She is honest and hard-working, and she is a good person. We are just not compatible as a couple.

[Bobo]

Sounds like You two are more like friends than a married couple. That was the case in my marriage... no point in being married with a friend. How old are Your kids now?

[WestLAguy]

Sounds like You two are more like friends than a married couple. That was the case in my marriage... no point in being married with a friend. How old are Your kids now?Yes, that pretty much sums it up. No point at all, other than the kids.

The oldest is 18, just graduated and going to college in the fall.
The youngest is twelve.

[Bobo]

In my opinion they're old enough to "take it", but it's Your life and Your choice... I respect Your decision, not many can be that unselfish, takes some willpower. :cool

[WestLAguy]

In my opinion they're old enough to "take it", but it's Your life and Your choice... I respect Your decision, not many can be that unselfish, takes some willpower. :coolWell, I'm sure that even the younger ones would live through it, but I also happen to be their primary academic tutor, athletic trainer, driver, and cook. In addition to the emotional trouble that would be caused by my leaving, there would also be an assload of logistical and financial complications. Replacing me would be expensive. So besides the emotional reasons, there are also the practical reasons for sticking around for now.

By the way, thanks for the interest. I do appreciate the support from you guys.

[Bobo]

Only trying to save You! :wink:

[wern]

You sound like a really great guy West. Good luck with it all.

[Tmac 1 LeBron 23]

I find it so hard to follow if I've been swimming, just picturing all those beautiful women all wet............................... :mrgreen

[G-Spot19]

I do or i dont. It doesnt matter to me anymore. I can wank or not. Must be getting old :lol:

[Anthrax]

I try to get my PE session as early in the morning or afternoon as possible to prevent me from disobeying the rule before the session... The more time I wait, the more likely I am to... well you know. After the session, I'm not concerned as much, because I am usually too worn out to think of doing anything...

[G-Spot19]

Another advantage to morning PE :D

[BigBadBear]

I prefer to PE right before bed so I know my penis is always getting it's rest straight after I PE, although in general I always try to abstain for the whole day on PE days if possible, it doesn't always work out though. :cool

[Tmac 1 LeBron 23]

Does it have to be excatly 5 hours? So does this mean on the days that I'm not doing PE I can wank?? :roll:

[Tmac 1 LeBron 23]

Btw WestLAguy, you should wait for the kids to go out to stay the night @ their friends or whatever, take your wife out for romantic dinner and light the candles inside your bedroom with nice aroma and scent, that will definately boost your sexdrive outta the roof! :D

[BIGOKE]

EJACULATION LIMITATION’. Every time you ejaculate, two main things happen. Firstly, your penis’s ability to quickly and effectively fill itself with blood is temporarily descreased - usually for around 5 or 6 hours. Secondly, you mentally become less arousable.
· In your mind, things that
are most of the time extreme turn-ons become less so. Now both of these results of ejaculation are okay. After all, they’re part and parcel of your penis’s natural function. However, they can both negatively impact the success of your P.E routines.
· They decrease your body’s ability to fill your penis full of blood, instead it will be erect but somewhat softer than if you hadn’t ejaculated soon before a routine. Clearly, this is a bad thing in regards to the way P.E exercises work - By maximising the capacity of your penis’s tissues using blood. So, in light of this fact, always, ALWAYS adhere to the 5-hour rule: “Never ejaculate less than 5 hours before or after performing a P.E routine.”
· Another aspect of ejaculation limitation involves abstaining from cumming for longer periods of time. Try first going a full week without even masturbating let alone ejaculating.
· If this doesn’t seem a very long time to go
without the pleasure of self-lovin’, abstain for 2 weeks to a month - all the while continuing with your P.E routines. You’ll notice your penis does two things: hangs lower and fuller day-to-day, and responds more strongly to your PC muscle and P.E exercises.

[Officespace2801]

Wow, reading this thread about LAguy made me rather...scared.

Anyway, I try to obey the 5-hour rule, but lately it seems like I've been breaking it more. Maybe I'm just crazy, but even though I've only had 2 months worth of measurements, my gains were better in the month that I didn't break it at all versus the one I remember breaking it a couple times during. I'm halfway through this month and I took a quick measurement and it doesn't seem this month will be great either.

[Tmac 1 LeBron 23]

But if you still gain not following the 5 hour rule then you should think on the + side :wink:

[BIGOKE]

Tmac I think OfficeSpace point is that he gained more following the 5 hr rule than when he didn't. Looking back at my growth spurt in April/May last year I also went through a lean time with no sex and masturbation for weeks at a time. Ever since, my growth has reduced drammatically and my motivation is not as high. That is probably due to more sex since the baby was born. SO maybe theres some merit in the 5Hr rule and abstinence.

[Officespace2801]

Agreed Bigoke.

Whether anything physically is different if you abide by the 5 hour rule or not I don't know. But I think mentally there's a difference when you plan on at least going 5 hours before/after with ejaculating. Maybe it's just me, but I always wanted to jerk off pretty much right after exercising. I think if you go in with the attitude that it's ok to do that, then it becomes less about the workout and more about finishing.

But I wouldn't be surprised if there is some difference internally also. I might test this after my next measurement and only ejaculate once a week, just to see if it makes a difference. It'll only be about a 3 week gap between measuring that time (I have a conference to go to during almost the entire 4th week), so it' won't be too brutal.

[Tmac 1 LeBron 23]

Tmac I think OfficeSpace point is that he gained more following the 5 hr rule than when he didn't.

That's what I said, he's gaining more with the 5 hour rule but even without obeying the 5 hour rule he's still gaining but less.