New pope

[smooth]

VATICAN CITY - Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany, a longtime guardian of doctrinal orthodoxy, was elected the new pope Tuesday evening in the first conclave of the new millennium. He chose the name Pope Benedict XVI.


Ratzinger, the first German pope in centuries, served John Paul II since 1981 as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In that position, he has disciplined church dissidents and upheld church policy against attempts by liberals for reforms. He turned 78 on Saturday.

[Godma]

And was a child nazi.

[smooth]

not even child, a teenage nazi. the jews will have a field day wit this one.

[Godma]

Teenager, child - same difference.

He's 78 too. Why don't they get some young gun in who isn't going to die in the next 5 years?

Crazy, smoke-releasing Catholics.

[hugh g rection]

Joining hitlers youth group was mandatory. He wasn't a nazi, read up a little bit now Godma, cmon. He isn't a good guy but he was never a nazi.

[Valk]

Why dont they just sprinkle the Vatican with gasoline and light it? Why waste all that energy on the church? THE CHURCH!!

[smooth]

Joining hitlers youth group was mandatory. He wasn't a nazi, read up a little bit now Godma, cmon. He isn't a good guy but he was never a nazi.


Do you know the things they taught at the youth groups? he was a nazi.

[Godma]

I know it was mandatory - I'm not an ignorant Mississippi pig farmer.

[wern]

Oh well, now we know Israel's next assasination target

[Spike]

:lol:

Farmer.

[Ed]

Well, maybe he can continue the work that John Paul did in bringing the Jewish and Roman catholic faiths closer. Benedict could and should really make that one of his main priorities.

[wern]

In the holocaust the Polish were just as bad as the Germans. Weeks after the liberation the only country in europe where jews were still being slaughtered was Poland - because the civilians themselves were doing it. So Polish pope, German pope, I don't see any difference in terms of their origins.


I think only someone who has studied the subject of papalcy and catholicism and the history of both would be fit to comment properly on this.

[smooth]

i haven't, but that's silly to say unless you studied it you can't comment on it.

[wern]

I didn't say you can comment on it, I said you wouldn't be fit to comment on it. You can comment on the preferred chemical make up of rocket fuel if you like. Whether or not anyone give a crap about your opinion though is another matter.

[zwmusic]

Why dont they just sprinkle the Vatican with gasoline and light it? Why waste all that energy on the church? THE CHURCH!!

Fuck the church! They would have a hell of a trouble to empty the Vatican of all the gold they have in that goddamned place before setting it on fire. Why don't they start acting in accordance to the preaching of Jesus, the head of this church, and donate only a quarter of their fucking wealth to the poor nations. I bet a quarter of the Vatican's wealth would be enough to wipe out most of the misery in our planet. Bloody hypocrites.

[Bobo]

I agree with ZW. It's sad to see how the pope is worshipped like a God, while he's only a man like the rest of us. Even Jesus (if he ever existed) were supposed to be a humble and poor man walking among "us", nothing like that ridiculous fuss around the pope-man with his funny hat. Hypocritical and theatrical nonsense if You ask me.

[wern]

Bobo how dare you slander the POPE!!!! He is like us. All Men are equal, Bobo... though some are more equal than others :mrgreen

We should invite the pope to CC. Then he can get his Cherry Poped :mrgreen

[zwmusic]

We should invite the pope to CC. Then he can get his Cherry Poped :mrgreen

:lol:

Or we could give him his poppet cherry to stick on top of that stupid hat.

[Spike]

Is the new one dead yet?

[zwmusic]

This one is not far from it.

[Clockers]

I'am not to sure but i think he post's here.. :lol:

[wern]

Is the new one dead yet?

I have been glancing at my watch all morning. Frankly I am starting to get irritated.

[MagnumXL]

I know it was mandatory - I'm not an ignorant Mississippi pig farmer.


HEY NOW! i know a lot of cool pig farmers :mrgreen

[oldie42]

I know it was mandatory - I'm not an ignorant Mississippi pig farmer.

Because you harvest wheat that has crop circles in it every growing season, right? :mrgreen

[smooth]

When/Where did the pope originate and who said he has any more connection to God then me?

[wern]

http://www.reformation.org/meet_the_first_pope.html

280 AD apparently

I think this pope is the 265th pope, which means that on average there is a new pope every 6 years. Kinda detracts from the holy aura inherent in the position

[Bobo]

Isn't it "funny" how the Holy Pope gets sick like the rest of us? One would imagine a holy man like that would benefit from the divine powers he's so strongly connected to?! Or could it be that all the religious nonsense is only a story in a book? A book that was written by some wise men 2000 years ago to keep their people in control? The God and his family that roamed the earth back then keeps themselves very well hidden these days, only some occasional tsunamis and stuff... maybe God made a mistake with his Goddess and they got one more son at their old age... and the rascal is playing with earth now, sticking needles to his pope-doll?

What the hell am I writing... a bit tired I suppose. :x

[wern]

Firstly Bobo, I don't blame you for not making sense because you are a yoda. :mrgreen And secondly, the standard of wisdom in those days involved decapitation in cold blood and fucking donkeys. Well that's what i read in a holy book.

[Bobo]

:lol:

I just read what I wrote, and... well... I'm sorry if I offended someone. I know we have some religious members here and I should think first and then write. But, (there's always a but), I believe I have just as strong rights not-to believe than religious people have to believe, and that's why I say what I think. Religious people have the right to talk about their God, so why wouldn't I have the right to talk about not having one? But, really... sorry if I offended someone.

[wern]

I find it pretty hypocritical for someone who strongly believes in God to be participating in PE because we were made in God's image and we should be grateful for what we have etc.

I use that logic to assume that we have no devout Catholics here. If we do then I apologise for anything negative I have said. In other words, please disregard absolutely everything I have said. :neut:

[Spike]

Is the new one dead yet?

I wouldn't let a 78yo operate a TV remote control nevermind a religion.

[zwmusic]

I just saw the new pope today and he just looks like one of those mummies at the British Museum.

[Bobo]

:lol: Yes, he doesn't look too good. Maybe the old farts made a deal together so that all of them get to be "the man with the funny hat" at some stage, and they'll just elect the oldest fart every time. I wonder what's the salary at popehood?

[zwmusic]

:lol: Yeah, the Vatican will be the happy train. They all want to swap drivers at one point.

[oldie42]

I copied over some of the comments about the Pope to my friend, since I thought it was pretty funny, and I guess he got offended. I didn't really know he was so religious. I copied over what Bobo said, and the comment about the remote and the mummy thing. Here is what he said...pretty stupid actually


agree with the freedom of speech thing, and with that being said, I decided to reply. In the sense of the word "holy", any of us can have aspects of that, that doesn't make us super human, however. If God made it to where his believers became invincible, then everybody would become a Christian, making the point of the decision that we've made useless, because people would want it for their perfectness here, not after you die, like it truely is. Anything can be seen as a story in a book, if you want to see it that way, encyclopedias could all be made up, because you were never there to experience it first hand. That's where the word "faith" comes in, and where everybody makes their decision, even if some don't totally understand it, or the concept, or the lifestyle, which is an awesome one, by the way lol... The aspect of people writing down thoughts to keep people under control, as you mentioned, has it's place, and it's called our system of laws, constitution, and so on. The bible is in no way a rule book, but a guide to life, and an awesome book at that speaking of which, reading it without feeling it though would serve no true purpose, because it's a greater loss, in my opinion, to have read the bible and denounce it, than to have never read it in the first place. You mentioned that "God and his family" keep themselves hidden, and that statement should be examined. Does He really? Or has society kicked Him out of our current world? It's not a shock, people ask, "How could God have allowed Columbine?" (that's just a random example, it applies across the board). God has been kicked out of our school system, people want a selective God it seems, they want His protection, but then are offended with anything else even remotely to a prayer or anything of the sort in our public school system. There's no "God and Goddess", we aren't in the ancient Greek era with Zeus and Hera, there is only one God. There's no kid toying with it's magnifying glass beaming down on us like ants here in the world, but there is a Son, totally different story. If Jesus came here to lead us and die for us without a second thought because of the love He has for us, how could that be considered being a "rascal playing with the earth?" Arguments can always be made, because everybody will always have their beliefs, that's just the way this world is. I just wanted to voice my opinion as well, and strongly urge everybody else to do the same, if moved to. Thanks for reading, if you read this far, and have a great day.

[wern]

Is this friend of yours from the south? ie nashville?

[Bobo]

I find it actually quite funny how religious peole seem to know it all, and we who don't share the same faith are blind and ignorant. We all have all the same facts we can process in our brain, and some of us believe them and some don't. My point of view can be just as strong as someone elses religious approach, but the sentence I always get from religious people is: ignorant and blind. In my case, the reason for not believing is the fact that I do think, don't think I would be an "atheist" only because I wouldn't know the facts. I have read the bible from cover to cover, and at some stage I almost believed it... but the more I've questioned it, the more I've seen how religions in this world of ours work... the harder I find it to believe. Religions are the source of most of all hypocritical acts in this world, people think they're good people only because they live obeying the ten commandments because of their fear of God. The good way of living should come from the heart, not from fear. I'm not a religious man at all, but I do live like any religious man would, only I don't go to the church or worship any greater beings. If believing in the old book is the key to paradise, and non-believers will burn in hell, then by all means throw me into the pits! But if there really would be a God, he would see into the heart.

I am sorry if I offended You, I tend to joke about these things because I don't believe them myself. I should keep in mind that some people are serious about this stuff, and I should respect that more. I'm sorry if I offended anyone... but remenber this: I have the right not to believe just as You have the right to believe, so we both should respect each others points of view.

[oldie42]

Is this friend of yours from the south? ie nashville?

South, yes...Nashville, no.

[oldie42]

I find it actually quite funny how religious peole seem to know it all, and we who don't share the same faith are blind and ignorant. We all have all the same facts we can process in our brain, and some of us believe them and some don't. My point of view can be just as strong as someone elses religious approach, but the sentence I always get from religious people is: ignorant and blind. In my case, the reason for not believing is the fact that I do think, don't think I would be an "atheist" only because I wouldn't know the facts. I have read the bible from cover to cover, and at some stage I almost believed it... but the more I've questioned it, the more I've seen how religions in this world of ours work... the harder I find it to believe. Religions are the source of most of all hypocritical acts in this world, people think they're good people only because they live obeying the ten commandments because of their fear of God. The good way of living should come from the heart, not from fear. I'm not a religious man at all, but I do live like any religious man would, only I don't go to the church or worship any greater beings. If believing in the old book is the key to paradise, and non-believers will burn in hell, then by all means throw me into the pits! But if there really would be a God, he would see into the heart.

I am sorry if I offended You, I tend to joke about these things because I don't believe them myself. I should keep in mind that some people are serious about this stuff, and I should respect that more. I'm sorry if I offended anyone... but remenber this: I have the right not to believe just as You have the right to believe, so we both should respect each others points of view.

You didn't offend me...I'm not a religious guy. Not Christian or anything. I didn't think my friend would have gotten so offended.

[Bobo]

You didn't offend me...I'm not a religious guy. Not Christian or anything. I didn't think my friend would have gotten so offended.
I didn't mean You, I was refering to Your friend and basically to all religious people there. Some years back I would have been burned alive for what I've been saying here, that's how glamorous religion was back then: it was mandatory. I'm practising a right that people haven't had for too long: I can say I don't believe in any God, and I don't have to lie I would. No more pretending and hypocritical bs or fear-driven ways of living. Freedom of thinking: what a relief. :wink:

[Clockers]

Bobo!! Don't worry about what you say or want to say cause you have a right to your opinion you know that i believe but i don't care at all your not at all hurting/offended my feeling's :wink:

Some believe and some don't some have there own religion some have none 'Who' cares!

What ever you/me believe in that should be good enough for thee other!

All people/humans have there own Opinion!

And you/me have a right to that opinion why cause it's my/your life..





:cool

[wern]

I wonder how much of a bashing Pope John Paul II got when he got ellected. The CC forums must've been on fire.

[Spike]

Most of CC's members weren't born when PJPII was poperised.

[wern]

Clockers was already past puberty. :wink:

[Bobo]

Bobo!!I believe, but I don't care at all, your not at all hurting/offended my feeling's. :wink:
That's good to hear, my friend! :cool

[Bobo]

Most of CC's members weren't born when PJPII was poperised.
Why do they change the name? Does it symbolize somehow their change to a "higher being" or is it just a pope-thing?

[Spike]

Kings do it too sometimes.

[Bobo]

Oh yes, true... a King named Joe King would be a bit weird... "joking". :D I still find that popeism thingy a bit funny, can't help it.

[Valk]

You know what the role of the Vatican is? To please old people, to give them something to talk about. You know how old people always get excited over the smallest details. The vatican gives them something to talk about, so that they wont die of boredom. Just look at the age of the new pope; religion makes people old.

[Bobo]

I have never met old people that would be talking about the pope or Vatican, they always seem to have the competition "who's the sickest old fart around" going on.

[oldie42]

Well, Bobo...I guess I am just a messenger. Here is his reply to what you said.

You say that if God could truely see into your heart, and for those believers out there like me (and I never once said I was better than anybody, I'm just average old me lol), we believe that He does in fact see into your heart and soul, into everybody. It's not being a good person that gets you into Heaven, and when God sees into your heart, He's seeing that you've chosen to not believe in Him, even if you are a good person. Everybody sees what they choose to see, nobody is calling anybody ignorant or blind here, to each their own, I've never once tried to force beliefs onto anybody, rather share my views. How could you truely know that God is real, yet denounce Him? Of course you're going to feel strongly against it, because otherwise, your feelings and thoughts wouldn't be justifiable, and you would have created internal dissonance, thoughts always have to be justified. "Religions" suck in my opinion. How's that for a Christian? It doesn't matter, because religion isn't going to get you into Heaven, or anywhere, it's what you believe, not where you show up sunday, or what good deeds you've done before while still denouncing God. It's what you believe, and if you don't believe it, then that's your decision, just as me believing is mine. It's hard to understand it if you haven't lived the life of a Christian, it all looks dumb from your perspective, because you don't understand it fully. You can read words, every one of them in the Bible, but get nothing from it, because you are reading it for what it says as words on a page, not trying to understand it. Once again, these are my beliefs, and they aren't in any way being pressed upon anybody who gets this email. Have a great day! Or night? lol, adios...

[Bobo]

It's not being a good person that gets you into Heaven, and when God sees into your heart, He's seeing that you've chosen to not believe in Him, even if you are a good person.
Where do You get all that info? Private phone line to the God or something, share a cup of tea with him every morning? I don't mean to offend You, but this is exactly what I mean when saying that religious people think they know it all and non-believers are blind. How do You know what the supposed God sees or not, or what he demands for access to the heaven? Oh, it says so in the Bible? But... it was written by a man... correction: by men. I can't believe it just because it says so in a book, one can't choose to believe, it must be true faith and not some "just in case" -type of self-deception I suppose.
It's hard to understand it if you haven't lived the life of a Christian, it all looks dumb from your perspective, because you don't understand it fully. You can read words, every one of them in the Bible, but get nothing from it, because you are reading it for what it says as words on a page, not trying to understand it.
Again, a judgement when You know absolutely nothing about me. My parents are...were christian, and we did our prayers every evening before bedtime and before every meal. I have gone through some serious shit in my life and I have been on my knees praying for God. I have read the bible seeking for answers, and some I did find... it's a wise book. But, my brain isn't as simple as You may think, I study and study... question and question... try to understand and even leave some space for miracles in my mind... but I haven't found any God, haven't got any answers at all. I have seen what religions have brought to this world: wars, misery, death... the religious history of our planet is bloody as hell. The way all religions are forced to our brains is by using fear: do this and do that and You'll burn in hell. Say something bad about God and You will be punished. After all the tragedies in my life and after all my unanswered prayers, I have come to the conclusion that there is no God. So don't You think You know me, don't You say I don't know how to read the bible... don't think You're better than me just because You have swallowed the religion You have been fed.

This world of ours is full of religions and Gods... why would I be so lucky that the religion that is being fed to those who are born here in this region would be the correct one? Could I be that lucky? How about people who live deep in the jungle, those who still have some old animism- or similar religions... they haven't even the option to try to believe in Your God. Does Your God sentence them to the eternal flames because they don't even know about him? Or will they get a free pass because they're ignorant, and I burn in hell because I think too much?

It would be easy to believe in a God if I would stop thinking. Every time something wouldn't make sense, I would only think it's Gods work and I shouldn't even try to understand. Just stop seeking for answers, just give up... everything that doesn't make sense is just Gods work? No way... I won't fall for that kind of mental darkness. If that's a crime, then I'm guilty as charged.

You say You're not better than I am, yet You say You're going to heaven because You believe in God and I'm not... You're good enough for the heavenly kingdom and I'm not... and You still say You don't think You're better than I am? Talk about blindness... :roll: (no offence meant)

[soserious]

I just saw the new pope today and he just looks like one of those mummies at the British Museum.


i saw one of them as a little kid, 4? 6? they were in a case and people looked down into it, glass top with the mummy just lying there.
i was thinking *WHAT THE HELL??? :shock: WHY IS EVERYONE CALM AND STARING ..THERES A DEAD BODY RIGHT THERE!! WHYS EVERYONE STARING AT IT? WHYS IT THERE RIGHT ON VIEW?? WHAT THE HELL??* except i was a non-swearing child.
but yeah, freaked me out, still does now, the thought that people actually put skeletons and bodies of REAL people in display cases on show like that. just creeps me out, wheres the dignity? :? i mean, could be me, or you in 100/ 1000 years time, dug up, stuffed in a case for all to gawk at! :x
theyll get such a haunting from the most malevolant twisted poltergeist in history :twisted:

ss

[soserious]

i dont believe in god/s.
However i dont know exactly what i believe in.

having said that, if there was/is a god/s then why would i want to worship them/it because if i didnt i would burn in hell or be mercy to hes/their wrath?
nah, f##k that- i dont like bullies.

bhuddism has a few interesting things, weve covered some christianity here, any other things to talk about-?

such discussions need not always focus on argument and counter argument and such.


i see on nws programmes people feeling like theyre getting short changed, expecting so much from life, way i see it (and im siorry to say this, kinda) is that theres just too many people. period. and im one of them.


were weened on television, (and no im nt just going to go into matrix and fight club quotes..although both real good films..watched fightclub many times over and over early hous of the mornings) but for pure objective fact.

its amazing how maleable people can be- even when they think theyre not.
i was once told by my media teacher that tv adverts/ commercials are not there to fill the spaces between programmes, but rather programmes are there to fill the spaces between adverts.
pSYKE

luv ya!
ss

[Bobo]

I wouldn't mind if there were a God, I would be pleased knowing that, even if I would be burning in hell myself. Maybe there would be something new to study in hell? Maybe hell wouldn't be as eternal as it's supposed to be? Maybe I'm facing an amazing adventure, escaping the depths of hell with my fellow criminals... serial killer sidekicks, ... just beware "the eye"... :lol:

[Valk]

Where's tha party at??

In hell.

Seriously, heaven looks like a boring place to me. No parties, no alcohol, no fucking, no heavy (not christian) rock music. Bleh.

[wern]

Also no demons tearing you apart limb by limb for eternity

[Bobo]

It's amazing how people still believe in heaven and hell... some primitive beliefs that will propably never die. Of course it's very comforting to think this life of ours isn't it all, and personally I'd be pleased if I would find myself in hell after all this because right now I believe there's absolutely nothing after death. I hope I'm wrong... I'll have a little chat with God's marketing personal too, their "hints" on which one should base his faith on are seriously out-of-date. Old stories may have worked 2000 years ago, but now when people are using more brain it would be nice to get something more concrete proof of Gods existence if believing in him is the key to "heaven". Maybe it's time to send more family members down here, they could start by changing that nearby lake to red wine or something...

[Clockers]

personally I'd be pleased if I would find myself in hell...


You will never find any proof here on earth that God exist, unless you want/believe to see it: it's all about faith my friend, I know your not to sure of what you are saying about you'd be pleased to be in 'hell' :shock:

What if it's all real, :shock: (hell & heaven) I mean you die you stand/kneel before "God" him'self and it's all real everything, that you have read in the bible, you look and see that over to your left is HELL, :shock:
over to your right is "HEAVEN, :) you look over towards heaven and you see your dad/mom/granddad/grandmom really any body you love who have past away, as you are looking at them you notice that they are bowing there heads you wonder why you look back at 'God, and say i'am so sorry lord for not believing in you all i needed was some kind of proof, just proof is all, I just needed to see the proof..
God's anwser: I gave you all the proof you needed but you chose not to see it nor believe in it, did you really think that all creation came from nothing you truly believe'd that all i have made for man, all i giving to man, and you still think it just came from nothing. :? you start to tremble,, as you realize that you are damed to hell for'ever then and only then you will "Believe" :(

Remember!! People," maybe it all came from the 'Big' bang in space but if you do believe that, then how do you truly know that 'God' wasn't the one who started the big bang him'self! :shock:

Satan will do anything/everything to confuss us his greatest trick of all is having us think he and god does not 'Exist' and satan will throw everything he can at us to confuss us in believe'ing that there is no god nor satan that way he has lots and lots of soul's to bear his suffering with him for'ever in 'Hell".. :shock:
I know this my friends I am 'Wise' enough to know that something/someone (to me that would be God) started it all, because nothing can come from "Nothing".. :cool

I think once you are 'Saved' through the "LORD" then and only then can you feel the spirit of God/Jesus..and it's a good feeling to have, :)

When i would read the bible i would pray to help me not just to understand his word as i am reading it but i would also ask for God to strengthen my faith aswell. :mrgreen

We/I sin everyday and he forgive's me/us for that sin (no'matter how bad that sin is) and god will also keep on forgiving you for no'matter how many times you sin. :D

Clocker's!!

[Spike]

Everything

Bobo's saving me alot of typing - I couldn't put it better myself.

[soserious]

In fundamental Buddhism, the emphasis is on seeing Truth, on knowing it, and on understanding it. The emphasis is NOT on BLIND faith. The teaching of Buddhism is on "come and see" but never on come and believe. Buddhism is rational and requires personal effort

ss

[Bobo]

:lol: Thanks, Clockie, for Your insight. I've done some traveling and seen many different religions... Animism, Buddhism (makes loads of sense), Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, Zoroastrianism... the list goes on and on... From the beginning of times people have always wanted to believe in something greater, something after death. I can't get rid of the feeling it's all just wishful thinking. The more one studies history, science, astronomy, biology... there is a logical explanation for it all. Why would I close my eyes from all that and have "faith" on something as absurd as a God?! I may be wrong, but then it isn't my fault... in that case God has given me too analytical brain, and by using it it's totally impossible to start believing in some old stories and building my whole life on them. God failed when creating my brain... :lol:

[Valk]

Both the intellect and the "soul" have their own place in life. For me its the quest to find a balance between the two. The balance between the brain and the heart. Not knowing how the world around you fits together is as bad as over-analyzing everything.

[Bobo]

Well, one can separate heart from brain only by words, because really everything happens in our brain and the heart only pumps blood... :wink: I'm not over-analyzing, I only want things to make at least some sense. Why is it that because I don't believe in God I'm over-analyzing and/or blind? None of the religious people in this world of ours have any more proof of their God than I do, and they can't even believe in him without blind faith. Without any proof, they are still 100% sure there is a God... talk about under-analyzing. :?

[soserious]

i still think that ancient philosophy can be used to make more sense of ones life, from where it came to where its going.

ss

[Bobo]

In my opinion, most of the religious people don't really believe in God 100%, they have millions of doubts in their mind. Many try to believe in God just in case there is one, but if all religious people would go to a test where the strength of their faith would be essential, 95% of them would fail. Why are religious people so afraid of death? They run into the hospital just as fast as non-believers... one would think they'd want to meet their God and see the paradise as soon as possible? I'm sorry to say this, but there aren't many people out there that would truly believe 100%. They hope there is a God, they pray just in case it would help... true faith is very rare in my opinion. World full of pretenders and wishful thinkers... how glamorous.

[soserious]

i think that a lot of people who become religious as adults may do so because theyre looking for answers, some truth some comfort to the scary world.
im sure youve noticed how different people become after "converting", thats fine except that a lot of religion is the sole reason for hatred and bloodashed.
take christianity, christianity was introduced to the roman empire and eventually became the main religion, im anglo-saxon celtic, my ancestors fought many invaders, some of whom brought religions such as christianity slaughtering and threatening and using massive taxation as they went.
same thing happened in africa, missionaries brought and forced christianity onto many people there, on pain of death. Islam is the same, islam was introduced onto indiginous africans , taking away their own varied smaller religions and cultures, again through war and violence and bloodshed.


we fought the vikings, some integrated and i (as far as i am concerned) can see viking dna in a lot of people still tiday.

svend karlsen (WSM) does this thing when he wins an event he points to hes same worded tatoo on hes chest and shouts "PURE VIKING POWER!!"
lol, so cool, personally i would be like "PURE CELTIC POWER!!" except im more likely a bastard mix of celt, anglo-saxon and ancient briton.

and Bobo- how the hell does your country keep turning out all these powerful guys? lol, must be something in the water up there *moves to finland* jokes.

you know youre accents are hard to get to copy and words are hard to say, but im still trying (lazy as i am with only a few words) lol

terve!!

Eiko olekin kylma tanaan?
it is here :x

(cant do the hyphen things, )
ss

[Bobo]

...and Bobo- how the hell does your country keep turning out all these powerful guys? lol, must be something in the water up there *moves to finland* jokes.
Well, life here up north has been very challenging for centuries, our ancestors have been fighting against the cold and darkness all their lives... I guess we have some badass genetics from those strong and fearless ancestors of ours. This "northern" race is quite rare, for example I'm blond with blue eyes... not many people on this planet that look like me. I believe in genetic memory, many animals have it... We finns are the best example of "strong silent type" people. It's actually quite sad to see what this modern world is doing to us... people are getting fat and they're in poor physical shape. With this rate we will loose our strong genetics and we become lazy and fat. Damn.

[Bobo]

I think it's time to put an end to that religious debate of mine, I've propably offended enough people already. I bet everyone already knows what I think... the Gods of this planet (all of them) can kiss my pale ass! With that said, the debate ends here, at least for me.

[Valk]

You know, although this talk about religion and life after death seems like a big issue, its actually quite small. The difference between religious and non-religious people in our western world almost doesnt exists.
Clockers believes in God, Bobo does not. Are they very different? No.
I believe that in this western lifestyle, religion is suppressed a bit for "normal" people. Unless you mix it with politics ofcourse.

[soserious]

Well, life here up north has been very challenging for centuries, our ancestors have been fighting against the cold and darkness all their lives... I guess we have some badass genetics from those strong and fearless ancestors of ours. This "northern" race is quite rare, for example I'm blond with blue eyes... not many people on this planet that look like me. I believe in genetic memory, many animals have it... We finns are the best example of "strong silent type" people. It's actually quite sad to see what this modern world is doing to us... people are getting fat and they're in poor physical shape. With this rate we will loose our strong genetics and we become lazy and fat. Damn.

yeah, i can imagine.
survival of the fittest no longer neccesarily applies.

[Bobo]

The difference between religions and politics these days is like a line drawn on water. The Pope and his thoughts have amazingly big effects on global economy. Many follow his old habits and ideas religiously (to the word), they think it's God talking when the old man speaks.

[Bobo]

yeah, i can imagine.
survival of the fittest no longer neccesarily applies.
No, there is no such thing anymore. If someone is so sick he/she should die, we keep them alive with machinery... how pathetic is that? Natural selection and genetic evolution isn't there anymore, any lazy fucker can have a kid these days. Life is too easy physically.

[Valk]

A person with political power and religious beliefs is indeed dangerous, but in real life religious people dont differ much from non-reg folks.
Only when the subject comes to religion the opinions begin to clash but the rest of the time those people can live side by side.

[Valk]

No, there is no such thing anymore. If someone is so sick he/she should die, we keep them alive with machinery... how pathetic is that? Natural selection and genetic evolution isn't there anymore, any lazy fucker can have a kid these days. Life is too easy physically.

But the moment you get in a life threatening situation and need serious medial help to stay alife (heart transplant) you couldnt give a fuck about that natural selection anymore. You just want to live.
And allthough its gotten easier physically, its gotten harder mentally.

[Bobo]

Yes, very true. I have some religious friends, and thankfully they have the skill of debating without getting angry or offended. I sometimes asked them to try and turn me into their faith, but honestly speaking their attempts were quite pathetic. But, the debates were funny, we all enjoyed them. We're all people, and there are many other things than religion that makes the differences between us all. Yes, I can live on the same planet with religious people, and their Gods are so very well hidden that they're not in my way either.

[Valk]

and their Gods are so very well hidden that they're not in my way either.

Yes, and thats why I dont like seeing religious people or clowns in my toast.
Clowns always try to force a smile on my face, when I just want to cry. :x

[soserious]

No, there is no such thing anymore. If someone is so sick he/she should die, we keep them alive with machinery... how pathetic is that? Natural selection and genetic evolution isn't there anymore, any lazy fucker can have a kid these days. Life is too easy physically.


yes, but at what cost?
this is why i believe its unsustainable. one day, something will give out and we`ll be back to needing our old (mostly lost) ways of survival.

this guy "ray mears" does a lot of wilderness survival, its fascinating to wach, we have few adventurer types, cos largely theres no need-yet.
lets remember much of what we have today was created with very hard work, many many deaths and at great environmental cost.

no matter what people think sooner orlater this whole system will faulter and stumble.
at such time theres martial law declared im leaving *if its in my lifetime*

[Bobo]

And allthough its gotten easier physically, its gotten harder mentally.
Yes, and that also leaves a mark on the kids. Medical technology doesn't really play such big role in genetic evolution because it threats people that are already here. This may sound harsh, but in western world people who wouldn't survive in the nature, do survive in this physically easy world of ours... and that "bad material" that used to die under physical demands, is alive and kicking... and breeding... in this modern world of ours. For example in a group of lions, only the strongest gets to spread his genetics... and among humans any diseased idiot can have a kid. I'm not saying only the strong ones should have the right to have kids, I'm only stating the facts... bad genetics don't dissappear between generations anymore.

[oldie42]

Yea....good argument Bobo. I'll pass it along.

[soserious]

Yes, and that also leaves a mark on the kids. Medical technology doesn't really play such big role in genetic evolution because it threats people that are already here. This may sound harsh, but in western world people who wouldn't survive in the nature, survive in this physically easy world of ours... and that "bad material" that used to die under physical demands, is alive and kicking... and breeding... in this modern world of ours. For example in a group of lions, only the strongest gets to spread his genetics... and among humans any diseased idiot can have a kid. I'm not saying only the strong ones should have the right to have kids, I'm only stating the facts... bad genetics don't dissappear between generations anymore.


this is true,
it hurts and is an emotive thing but it is siomply stating a truth of natural selection.

i think government and the state is largely to blame for its *efforts to disempower us while simultaneously keeping us alive in a way it sees fit under its rules.

let me explain an example: to live in a city you must be part of the system: ID, accomodation, money, job to get that money, ect (feel free to elaborate)

in nature there is you, and your ability to survive.

big difference.

please dont mis-understand my statement here, its not supposed to offend anyone.

[soserious]

Yea....good argument Bobo. I'll pass it along.


OLDIE! :D

hows youre day going?

ss

[oldie42]

Going good, buddy. A bit tired, but other than that, it's a nice day. Sunny and cool outside :D

[soserious]

sounds good :D

[Bobo]

I think it's time to put an end to that religious debate of mine, I've propably offended enough people already.
Hmm... I must have had a weak moment there, and I'll take all that back. I will continure this debate for as long as needed... why? Do I want to offend more people? No, that isn't my intention. In my book, saying what others want to hear, or remaining silent when knowing others don't want to hear it... all that is lying in my book. One must be strong enough to stand behind his own beliefs, no matter what. I would find it funny if my beliefs would be stronger than the faith of the religious people. There is this old wisdom I live according to (not sure who said it first):

It is better to be hated for who you are...than loved for who you are not.

[soserious]

interesting philosophy.

[Valk]

Hmm... I must have had a weak moment there, and I'll take all that back. I will continure this debate for as long as needed... why? Do I want to offend more people? No, that isn't my intention. In my book, saying what others want to hear, or remaining silent when knowing others don't want to hear it... all that is lying in my book. One must be strong enough to stand behind his own beliefs, no matter what. I would find it funny if my beliefs would be stronger than the faith of the religious people. There is this old wisdom I live according to (not sure who said it first):

It is better to be hated for who you are...than loved for who you are not.

But that doesnt mean that you have to keep preaching over and over.
A wise man will know when an debate is useless and will move on.
Standing behind your beliefs is something different that shoving it in people's faces everytime you have the chance.
So its not a weak if you back out of a (futile) discussion.

[Bobo]

In a hypocritical world full of lies and pretenders, a philosophy like that could do wonders. People shouldn't be afraid of being themselves, pleasing others and pretending to be something else than one really is, is pathetic in my eyes.

[Bobo]

But that doesnt mean that you have to keep preaching over and over.
I'm not preaching, I'm debating... and I find it interesting. You want me to shut up because I think differently than You, but if I'd share Your beliefs then it would be ok for me to go on? You don't even need to answer.

[Valk]

Why do you take everything so personally. I've never said YOU are preaching. And I never said you need to shut up. I was just saying that its not wrong IN GENERAL if you (people in general) stop participating in a discussion because it just leads to nowhere. Its not a weak moment if a person sees what a waste of energy it is to participate in a discussion that is futile, and with that I'm not saying that THIS discussion is futile.
And by the way, I dont think very different then you.
Ah, fook it! Its hard to explain, anyways.

[soserious]

sometimes i think of cc as a squad, trying to survive in an uncertain world. its not so good when we fight and argue although healthy debate is well, healthy. :? :(

ss

[soserious]

"DILLON, YOU SON OF A BITCH!!"

(ahh crap, wheres Shinobi? :( )


"NEVER KNEW HOW MUCH I MISSED THIS"
..

[Bobo]

Why do you take everything so personally. I've never said YOU are preaching.
Sorry, my mistake. But, if You wonder why I keep debating about this... it isn't because I'd try to turn people off their faith, it isn't even trying to win a debate. I simply enjoy debates like these, the closest thing to speaking with extra terrestrial intelligence. :wink:

[Valk]

Its just a defiency in the English language. "you" can be directed at one person as well as people in general.

But I think this is just a debate about religion held by non-religious people, so I didnt think you talked to many ET's.

[Bobo]

Its just a defiency in the English language. "you" can be directed at one person as well as people in general.
I never use the word "you" when talking about people in general. I use the passive form or describe the group of people I'm referring to. That's why I was confused.

[Valk]

I almost never use the word You, because I'm Nipplish! :mrgreen

[Bobo]

I'm suffering from english too, because I can be 100x more convincing in finnish.

[soserious]

[/URL]

i dont know how they can know these things, raindrops from millions of years ago?
interesting though.

[URL=http://]http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/madeforlife.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/madeforlife.shtml)


planet creation:
http://www.psi.edu/projects/planets/planets.html (http://)

[wern]

Thanks for this discussion guys. I have decided to switch from being a devout catholic to satanism. :twisted:

[Valk]

If you studied some Satanism (the real Satanism and not the one that the media has created) you would see it at least makes some sense.

[oldie42]

If you studied some Satanism (the real Satanism and not the one that the media has created) you would see it at least makes some sense.

Are you referring to Anton LaVey's Satanism?

[Valk]

Yes, but I didnt read his own book. But I know that real Satanism doesnt include blood sacrifices and stuff.

[Clockers]

Well life goes on people, so i leave you with this, Why can't anyone answer the big question, how/what/who started it all.

That question will allways be in the back of are mind..



How can Something/life come from nothing!


It can't, and we know that!

So for that question alone it scares people, humans i mean!!


Some people will say maybe it was aliens :lol: if you believe that :roll:
then what started there life/creation, everybody and i mean everybody who doesn't believe always try to get out of or around that question!!

Even the most intelligent, people on 'Earth," will tell you No one is truly for sure, how,what,who started it all creation/universe..

So again if you can found anyone on this planet that can tell me/us for sure how it all started which you will never found that person, which also means you will always wonder that your'self (How did it all start :shock:

You think about it, think really hard :cool

[Bobo]

How can Something/life come from nothing!
Time is the essence. We're used to thinking that way that everything happens immediately. Evolution doesn't work that way, it spends time so much that one lifetime is only a blink of an eye. When the volcanic activity of our planet calmed down a bit, there were these first pools of water that formed. Slowly, veeeeery slowly the first amino acids formed by a "mistake", just a combination of minerals and stuff that with time started to make sense. After a looooong time period there were several different amino acids that, with enough time, formed the first primitive micro-organisms. One cell organisms like amoebas and similar lifeforms started to appear... and they evolved with a lot more time... The lifetime our earth has already lived is amazing, and it's more than enough to process "by mistake" some real life.

If You think only a God can create life, then may I ask You who created God? For a God to appear from nothing is much more unlikely than an one cell organism to form by mistake. Who created God, he couldn't just appear from nothing!

[oldie42]

Bobo, here is the latest reply.


I don't deserve anything that God's given me, it's all a gift, that I don't deserve. I'm no better than you, nor have I said that I am. Do you truely know the meaning of faith? If miracles were performed in front of you, you wouldn't believe by faith, but by facts. You choose to live by facts that you can see before you. You've attempted to pray to a God so you say, but never fully believed, because you were questioning it the whole time it sounds like. Call that "thinking" if you truely want to, if that in fact makes you feel better about your decision. The bible was written by man, but has testements by Jesus, and by many experiences with God. You can say, how do you know that? Faith. I choose to believe it, and if you think that I'm dumb by believing something and not denouncing by "thinking" as you call it, then you can believe that. We all have our own beliefs, that's what makes the decisions we make so cool, we are all individuals. Religions bring wars, eh? Have you researched these wars? People disagree, and wars will always happen, over any subject it seems. Preschool can be considered bloody as you call it, because people die in every setting, including that one. You refuse to be a part of something, partly because of it bringing these "wars", but then use email, did you know that AOL and other big companies are considered corporations here in the US, and wars are started too that have to do with Corporate gain? You get a thrill out of denouncing something because you think it's being different and being an individual, and that today, but it's going along with the millions of people ending up in Hell, because the won't open their eyes. Say that you have all that you want, but you haven't, otherwise you wouldn't feel the way you have, you can say that you have, but if you did, this email wouldn't have happened in the first place. People finally think, eh? Because a bunch of people denounce God? It's always been that way, there have always been non-believers. I've lived the life and continue to live the life of a Christian, and I'm not in any way dumb, or a small thinker, my life became alive because of that decision, and truely changing in my heart to that decision. If you don't truely believe but just want to and pray and don't get an immediate solution seeing if God is a quick fix for you with a little bit of hope that it might work so that you can think from then on that you are really knowledgeable in the subject from there on out, that means absolutely nothing. You want instant gratification, and you won't get it with a doubting heart. You want instant proof, but God isn't a God who just shows off to show that He's real every time that you ask for proof. The "religion that I have been fed" has been a relationship with Jesus that I chose myself, I don't have religion, I have God. If you don't know the difference, then that says a lot about your credibility as well. All religions worship a God, and who's to say they aren't all the same one? Some people are doomed to not know about God, because of their locations, that where mission work comes into play, so that the word can be spread to remote locations, and this is a highly touchy part of that subject, one debated much. You think it seems that the stories used to work in the bible, but today, miracles are needed to show his existance. People have always been the same, people have always doubted, people have always been ignorant, putting themselves above God, saying that they themselves were smarter than God, as you have, by saying that you came to the conclusion that He wasn't real. People have also always had faith. It's all a choice, one in which I'd never force on you, or you on me, that's what makes debating so much fun. Freedom of speech rocks, and shows the nature of people. God bless.

[oldie42]

Yes, but I didnt read his own book. But I know that real Satanism doesnt include blood sacrifices and stuff.

It is more of a way of life. A while back...well, a really long while back, I read his book "The Satanic Bible". Made sense, but am I a follower? No...didn't make THAT much sense to me. But the whole sacrificing cats and raping babies thing isn't true Satanism.

[Bobo]

To Oldie's friend: I feel like this conversation is never going to end, because we both think so differently and we both believe in our own way of thinking so strongly. The reason why I don't believe in God isn't because I'd want some solid proof in front of my eyes, all I want for it is that it would make at least some sense. I simply can't build my whole life on blind faith... Other thing that makes it difficult for me is the fact that there are hundreds of religions out there, and how would I know which one is the correct one, if any of them is? You say it's Christianity because You were born as such, and You've been fed that religion since You were born. You have been born a Christian just as I am too, but that doesn't mean it would be the correct one. I understand how a human mind works, and thinking we're alone in this universe, floating in space... all alone... some find that frightening. People have a strong fear for death, and they don't want to accept the possibility of death being a total end. People want to live forever, and that's why they want to believe in afterlife and a "father figure" (God) that protects us. That's the way it's always been, people always want to believe in something greater than they are, otherwise they feel too alone and vulnerable. I'm not saying religions would be a bad thing, they bring comfort and hope to many, only I don't need that. You seem to believe 100% in Your God, and I think it's propably 50/50. If I'm wrong, then You can tell me as I walk towards hell that "I was right". If I'm right, then I won't be able to tell You that because we simply don't exist anymore. You think we have a soul that leaves the body when we die, and I believe the feeling of a "soul" is just the combination of all our senses in our brain. I hope I'm wrong... Hold on to Your faith because You seem to need it. I'm ok just the way I am... nothing wrong in either way.

[soserious]

a turkey was killed :?
i bought it,
and am now bringing it back to some form of life again
*voodoooooo*
*eats turkey*
:wink:

its re-incarnation...of a sorts. recycling rather. its no longer a turkey, but the amino acids are "alive" again.
hmm thats quite interesting, dead tissue broken down, restructured and working as part of a living organism once again.

in the respect of recycling i think much life continues-just not as IT knew it.


ss

[Bobo]

We will be around this universe forever, the matter we're made of never disappears from the universe.

[Clockers]

Time is the essence. We're used to thinking that way that everything happens immediately. Evolution doesn't work that way, it spends time so much that one lifetime is only a blink of an eye. When the volcanic activity of our planet calmed down a bit, there were these first pools of water that formed. Slowly, veeeeery slowly the first amino acids formed by a "mistake", just a combination of minerals and stuff that with time started to make sense. After a looooong time period there were several different amino acids that, with enough time, formed the first primitive micro-organisms. One cell organisms like amoebas and similar lifeforms started to appear... and they evolved with a lot more time... The lifetime our earth has already lived is amazing, and it's more than enough to process "by mistake" some real life.

If You think only a God can create life, then may I ask You who created God? For a God to appear from nothing is much more unlikely than an one cell organism to form by mistake. Who created God, he couldn't just appear from nothing!


Just like i said everyone just goes around that "Question, just as you just did in your post saying 'Time is thee essence.

lets just say the earth universe has been around for billions,billions of years even longer of course life will start but all that, That is used in,, to start that single cell, that you speak of. What made all the parts of that single cell, it all start's at thee begining so again i ask you or anybody 'What started it all it did not all just start from nothing the planets,stars, water, thee air, gases in space, and what ever you can think of. Something started the universe and all it's splendor/life!! :cool

[ownd]

i dont see why its so hard for people to believe that a higher power created us and everything.

[Bobo]

Not a higher power in my case. It was my mom and dad, and now I'm stronger than my dad. :wink:

[OneMoreRep]

Is the new one dead yet?

LOL

[Valk]

It was my mom and dad

Who told you that filthy lie! :x

http://www.vliegenzwam.nl/htmldocs/Beeld/ooievaar.jpg

[Bobo]

:lol: Now that's a relief! Disgusting to think that my mom and dad... You know... :x So, it was a weird bird with a funny hat? :D

[Valk]

My mum and did never have sex and never will. :x

[zwmusic]

Now that's a relief! Disgusting to think that my mom and dad... You know...

We would never think such thing.

[Bobo]

My mum and did never have sex and never will. :x
Yeah, that's the way this world works: You get married and have a kid, and suddenly: no sex, never.

[zwmusic]

My mum and did never have sex

Care to explain your existence?

[Valk]

http://www.vliegenzwam.nl/htmldocs/Beeld/ooievaar.jpg

[OneMoreRep]

lol

[zwmusic]

:lol:

[Clockers]

:lol: :lol:

[Shane_Bos]

Well summed up i feel :lol:

[soserious]

where does the word pope come from?
why are all names of heads of some kind of power "P"?

pope*
prime minister*
president*
?



and how do we KNOW that earth does have an iron core and that the moon does not? even if its a water tight THEORY how can someone claim such theory as fact until proven.
*starts digging*
*stops digging*
*feels tired*
*eats an apple*
*gets dead leg from stupid uncomfortable seating*


WE LOVE OUR BREAD
WE LOVE OUR BUTTER
BUT MOST OF ALL
WE LOVE EACH OTHER

:D

SS

[Clockers]

:lol: :lol: Love is a Power'ful word, isn't it ss.. :P :D

[soserious]

it sure is buddy, it sure is :D

ss

[soserious]

life in the galaxy (http://www.newscientist.com/popuparticle.ns?id=in67)

[oldie42]

Bobo, he replied a few days ago and said that he agreed that it would never end. It was short, so I decided not to put it on here.

[Bobo]

That's what I was hoping for. :cool

[oldie42]

That's what I was hoping for. :cool


Yea, he probably just didn't have answers :lol:

[Bobo]

:lol: Most likely!

[Valk]

Here we go again. Treating religious people like circus attractions. :x :o :shock: :)

[Bobo]

That would be a boring circus. *yawn*

[Valk]

True, my ass-hair would be more entertaining.

[soserious]

we had thunder storms today and lightning :twisted:
POWER. and none of it in the hands of man. :twisted: :twisted:

[Bobo]

I LOVE thunder storms! When I was a kid, I ran outside when others ran inside... There I stood in the rain, staring at the sky. Once a lightning stroke very near, and I... well... it was laundry day for my mom.

[Clockers]

I love thunder storms aswell. :mrgreen

[soserious]

I LOVE thunder storms! When I was a kid, I ran outside when others ran inside... There I stood in the rain, staring at the sky. Once a lightning stroke very near, and I... well... it was laundry day for my mom.

:lol:

i was running around with big red sky and torrentual like rain (1997) and big thunderstorm, it was great . i get a buzz off of storms and thisone was big. damn i LOVE thunderstorms too, they hype me up like nothing else :twisted:
lightning can strike near me i wouldnt care- id just be fried :twisted:
but we seem to get fewer and fewer thunderstorms in recent years, so today wasnt bad, but i want MORE!!

[Clockers]

Yea! I also like when lightning strike's near by, but not to near don't want to die just yet..lol