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OneMoreRep
19th April 2005, 03:43 AM
Hey guys,

This is an old post from the OLD CC thought i'd repost it.

Anyways here's a bit of information i've compiled to maybe help explain some things. Let's get started.

The reason for the 5 hour rule is the body releases a histamine upon orgasm. (everyone's getting out their dictionary) what the fuck is that?


his·ta·mine

Histamine is a monoamine protein involved in local immune responses. It is a hydrophilic vasoactive amine (thus the name). Release of histamine is associated with allergic reactions, as it causes both an inflammatory response and a contraction of smooth muscle tissue. Histamine is released by mast cells primarily when they degranulate due to IgE antibodies. .

(www.free-definition.com)

In layman's term a histamine is a chemical the body produces that causes SMOOTH muscle tissue to contract.

Quote:

The penis is composed of a few layers of muscle and tissue. The dermis contains a layer of smooth muscle and underlying loose connective tissue that allows the skin to move without distorting structures beneath it.

(www.bhs.berkeley.k12.ca.us/departments/Science/anatomy/anatomy97/male/html/penispage.html)

Well, one function of a histamine is to cause CONSTRICTION of smooth muscle tissue, (this type of tissue is found in the penis.)


con·stric·tion

A narrowing that reduces the flow through a channel.

(www.dictionary.com)

In this case, it's a narrowing of blood vessels which carry nutrient RICH blood to damaged areas for repair. Well after a jelq session, there's LOTS of area that require maintenance.

And the body KNOWS it. Repair commences IMMEDIATELY!

So what happens? well it depends? did you break the five hour rule?

If you didn't the injured cells will scoop up ALL the needed materials with relative ease as the smooth muscle tissue is not in a state of constriction! The body repairs the cells with NEW materials .

Now if you did break the rule, the injured smooth muscle tissue recieves a significantly decreased amount of blood flow. Now while it receives SOME new materials, it also is forced to catabolize significantly more tissue for materials required to repair the damaged sites then if the smooth tissue was NOT constricted.

The fact that you are using LESS new materials, amounts to LESS cumulative gain in erectile tissue.

A FEW EXAMPLES,

First, suppose for a second that each jelq session damages a certain amount of tissue. We'll give each session a rating, for the sake of argument.

1 - being next to nothing

10 - being next to injury/overtraining.


NOW, you JUST finished a really good session, your sessions damage rating was say a 7. You decide,

"Wow, what a great session i think i'll beat off because that session was too good not to ! heheee"


Upon ejaculation, In penis-land, the body releases histamines, and slowly but surely the body constricts the smooth muscle tissue of the penis. The blood flow slows and slows. Now penis-land, which is now in a state of wreakage, commences THE HEALING PROCESS. Anyways, the body is working away trying it's best to heal as much of the penis as it can! now from the blood stream the penis picks up enough materials to repair a rating of 3 damage, unfortunately it's been a traumatic day and penis-land as we know and a rating of 7 damage was experianced. The body realizes this problem and the begins to use materials already on site for repair. ( In this case 4 ratings worth of damage requires onsite material )

At the end of the healing process the body has healed a rating 3 worth of damage from NEW blood stream materials, and a rating 4 worth from onsite materials. ( assuming you left sufficient rest and didn't over train. Well that's another penis-land problem, ANYWAYS... )

When all said and done, the workout effectiveness rating was downgraded to a 3!!!

So after realizing this, you do ANOTHER jelq session this one was conveiniently rated at a 7 on the damage scale. You finish your warm down and complete your session because you KNOW better to break the 5 hour rule now!!!

Back in penis-land, THE HEALING PROCESS commences once again. Except THIS time the smooth muscle tissue remains relaxed the blood flow through the penis remains at optimal levels. This time around the blood stream picks up a whooping 6 rating worth of repair materials, and only has to use 1 rating worth of onsite materials required for repairs.

At the end of the healing process the body has healed a rating 6 worth of damage from blood stream materials, and a rating 1 worth from onsite materials.

When all said and done, the workout effectiveness rating was upgraded to a 6 from the previous 3 !!!

WOW, sorta makes you want to respect the rule a bit more doesn't it?

You're probably saying, WTF, that's all BULLSHIT, well first of all i told you it's just an example but it DOES hold truth!!!

Anyways, i think that's all i needed to say?

OneMoreRep

Important Note: This is a THEORY and should be treated as such. (If this needs any more explanation holler at me)

johnson
19th April 2005, 04:28 AM
Hi OneMoreRep,
Dumb question but let me ask, I know the 5 hour rule comes after the Pe session 'cause your tissues need to heal but how about before? If I masterbate or have sex a lot right before PE, should that also have a adverse effect on my healing process? I'm guessing probably not.

wern
19th April 2005, 05:12 AM
Ok but why 5 hours? Why not 1 hour or why not 48 hrs?

ArTee63
19th April 2005, 01:57 PM
If I masterbate or have sex a lot right before PE, should that also have a adverse effect on my healing process? I'm guessing probably not.

Guess again.

Not so much an effect on the healing process. Depending on what "Right Before" means, you may experience difficulty getting and maintaining an erection.

And without that, you aren't going to accomplish much to have "healed".

Valk
19th April 2005, 05:25 PM
Good post OMR. But I have to say, that 5-hour rule is getting alot more attention that it actually deserves. I remember guys who didnt follow it and still gained. Just dont do anything ejaculating for a couple after your PE sessions and you'll be fine.

ownd
19th April 2005, 11:20 PM
i wont ejculate on pe days but even when i do on non pe days i still feel guility like if my penis is shrinking i dunno lol.

groove champion
19th April 2005, 11:40 PM
i wont ejculate on pe days but even when i do on non pe days i still feel guility like if my penis is shrinking i dunno lol.

Dude, common, if that was the case we'd all be bitchs by now

wern
19th April 2005, 11:46 PM
we'd be cardinals

Valk
19th April 2005, 11:54 PM
And the pope says:

"YOU WILL BE REPPED"

Valk
19th April 2005, 11:55 PM
And the pope says:

"YOU MUST SPREAD SOME REPUTATION AROUND BEFORE GIVING IT TO WERNSTRUM AGAIN"

wern
20th April 2005, 12:09 AM
pfft, I laugh at your meek attempts to rep me. http://www.geocities.com/the_general.rm/00000006.gif

Valk
20th April 2005, 12:14 AM
Thats it! You're only getting neg reps from me from now on.

wern
20th April 2005, 12:27 AM
I should start a new diary:

wernstrum's road to HGR

OneMoreRep
20th April 2005, 02:15 AM
Hi OneMoreRep,
Dumb question but let me ask, I know the 5 hour rule comes after the Pe session 'cause your tissues need to heal but how about before? If I masterbate or have sex a lot right before PE, should that also have a adverse effect on my healing process? I'm guessing probably not.

it's controversial as with the rest of the theory BUT,

i find the tissue is not as workable and relaxed as it SHOULD be for a good workout.

ALSO, blood flow is less than ideal during the workout which adds to the decreased effectiveness... IMO anyways.

OneMoreRep
20th April 2005, 02:26 AM
Ok but why 5 hours? Why not 1 hour or why not 48 hrs?

GOOD question!

Like i said it's very controversial and i will not for 1 minute say i stand behind this theory 100%.

5 hours is probably just a "GOOD" time perhaps experimenting has been done? you never know.

it's probably more of a convienience thing, if it was a 12 hours rule who would follow it? honestly? sex or PE make the choice? you get what i am saying?

5 hours is probably just a good compromisable time.

like, if you are GOING to ejaculate ATLEAST stay in this window kind of thing to keep things operating smoothly.

so many ways to answers that question.

OneMoreRep
20th April 2005, 02:29 AM
Good post OMR. But I have to say, that 5-hour rule is getting alot more attention that it actually deserves. I remember guys who didnt follow it and still gained. Just dont do anything ejaculating for a couple after your PE sessions and you'll be fine.

oh for sure, of course you can gain WITHOUT following it.

i think it's more important NOT to ejac. before a workout.

but i was just trying to maybe shed some light on it, that's all.

OneMoreRep
20th April 2005, 02:30 AM
i wont ejculate on pe days but even when i do on non pe days i still feel guility like if my penis is shrinking i dunno lol.

hahaha, i feel the same way some times.