Injury?

[wern]

I may or may not have a problem or injury, and would really appreciate some advice on this. This is a little long but all of the story is directly relevant to the problem I am having. Bear with me on this guys.

Last Friday morning (8 days ago) I had just finished stretching and was getting an erection for jelqs. The base of my penis felt pretty numb and as I started jelqing the whole penis started feeling numb.

I haven't done any extreme exercises. The stretches are done at moderate strength. I have never felt pain or even discomfort.

So I immediately stopped and turned on some porn to see if I could get it up, otherwise I may have damaged something (my logic at the time). I got a 90% erection which seemed very odd because I have a well-developed PE muscle. Looking back on it, it may have been the warm up that was responsible for the 90% erection (as it softens the shaft doesn't it?)



I went to work and everything felt fine and I was determined to finish off the workout that night but the same thing happened at night. I got worried and decided I had somehow injured myself. I started feeling mild pain around the testies when I wore boxer shorts (so the testies weren't being supported). But no pain around the shaft.



My plan was to not PE for 7 days and then after that to do a very light PE session for a further 7 days consisting of warm up, 1 min of light stretches, 200 light jelqs and warm down.



I read around the archives and it seemed that no matter what it was it can't be bad because it's just numbness. The testies pain subsided over a couple of days and the penis felt a little weird so I was taking it very easy. I didn't wank for 4 days (I read that I should do that in the archives) and wore tight fitting undies to support the penis and testies throughout the day. By Friday everything felt 99% back to normal if not 100%. I hadn't PE'd at all. I did some very light stretching on Friday Saturday and Sunday. By light I mean that I basically only extended the penis to its full flaccid extended length and for only 5-10 seconds. Everything felt fine.



This morning (Monday) I had my first PE session since 8 days ago. I did incredibly light stretches and when I went to jelq I felt the same bloody numbness. I said to myself screw this I am going to jelq no matter what (but I will do very light jelqs). I put on the porn for stimulation and jelqed. At times it felt very numb, at others it felt fine. At no time did I feel pain in the penis but I did feel slight pain in the testies.



Now the penis seems to feel fine. I am thinking that maybe it is the warm-up that it responsible for the testies hurting. What I do for warm up is I have this plastic cylindrical container which is about 10inches in circumference and 4.5 inches in length. I fill that up with 110 degrees (Fahrenheit) water and hold my penis and testies in that for 1.5 minutes, then refill it and repeat 4 times.

I am thinking that maybe the testies shouldn’t get that much of a warm up. Maybe the scrotum becomes too soft and doesn’t support them while I am stretching and jelqing. That is the only explanation I have now for this issue. Or maybe it is normal to feel numbness when jelqing?

I would really appreciate some help here because the last thing I want is to sustain n injury. At the same time I don’t want to stop PE’ing for an extended period needlessly.

[Ed]

But I think that is just what you should do: stop for a while. No use ploughing through with a workout until you are free from pain and worry. You could also try varying your workout and technique. If you are suspecting the warmup as the source of problems, try a different one. Try and pinpoint the exact cause of numbness. Is it only during workouts?

By the way, I know warmups aren't that long, but it is generally considered bad to heat your balls because it lowers sperm production. (I guess it is only bad if you are sowing your oats)

Good luck and take it easy.

[wern]

Ed, I just went through your diary.
I will try to pintpoint what is causing the problem. I'll try to warm the shaft up only. If that doesn't work (which means that the stretches are causing the problem) I may do my PE session completely in the shower and forego the stretches.

I would appreciate more input from anyone that can offer it.

[soserious]

where is your hand and grip when you stretch?
do you push into the ridge of the head or something-thats on the nerves so it can cause numbness.

i havent pe`d for ages, it made t partially numb-even now. feels like when you burn yourself and you lose sensation.

sux.

i dont do stretches cos it hurts my nuts and doesnt do shit anyway (for me).

hmm, explain more stuff you do, like hand positioning ect.

[wern]

actually, I beleived I figured what the problem was and my injury seems to be healed.

This is from my progress diary:

I have PE'd this morning and everything seemed more or less fine. There wasn't any numbness at all so that was a very good start.

I did extensive research on other sites and stumbled across some bike related ED articles that explained long term injury to the prenium nerve as being the coulprit to numbness in the penis.

The container I have been using for warm ups was usually pressed into that area so that could have caused it. So this morning I used a hotpack instead and I only did one set of 5 second light stretches. Then I did 360 wet jelqs. Seemed fine. I will come to a conclusion about this situation probably within a week assuming that by then everything has stabilised.

thanks for asking though.

Everything seems to be fine. I can get slight numbness here and there during wanks but then again nerve damage heals very slowly, assuming that I have an irritated perenium nerve.

If you are getting numbness you may want to try accupuncture to stimulate your penile nerves. Tell the guy you were beaten up and kicked in the groin a couple of time while you were beaten up (ie you were mugged or something). Accupuncture works! It's a fact.

As for my stretches, I grasped the head or just under it. And I never pulled hard. I am very cautious with my wang. Even though I have already seen gains I am scared of what may happen to it from PE partly from reading posts on your diary and by mattlapp and a few others in the old forums. So I was totally dumbfounded when I was getting numbness after taking it so easy.

I have only gotten numbness twice in the last 2 weeks. Once in my jelq session when I did a hold. And the other time was when I was wanking. I usually wankcersise :mrgreen so I go for ages and edge heaps so I suppose it makes sense that I got a little numbness. It may have happened before without me noticing. You know how once you notice something you pay attention more and look for it later on.

SS, Can you pinpoint when you actually felt whatever it was that made you decide that you had been injured?

[wern]

UPDATE: this injury was totally gone after about a week of not using the container for warmup. I haven't used it since. Now I basically only warm up the penis, not the testies. I use a heat-pack that i made myself and it works a charm.

[MagnumXL]

I was just about to post until i noticed ur last post wern. You got it exactly. The testicles are not ment to be kept at hot temps, thats why they sag. Sperm can only be made at a very specific temperature. Thats why when i use my IR lamp i keep my balls tucked away in my boxers.

[wern]

I think the "injury" was 90% from the pressure against my perenium nerve. I usually partly warm up my testies these days because it reduces risk of injury. I am not trying to impregnate anyone currently so I don't really care whether my sperm die or not.

[Bobo]

The nutsack hangs out of Your body for a reason, meaning even a normal body temperature is too high.

[ArTee63]

I am not trying to impregnate anyone currently so I don't really care whether my sperm die or not. [/color]


It's more a matter of stopping the process all together. Too much prolonged heat on the testes can render your bullets as blanks.

PERMANENTLY!!! :shock:

[wern]

really? do you have any references?


I feel sorry for all the people living in the outback in australia, where it's a minimum of 115 F during summer, so it is even warmer in their pants.

I read about a study perfromed in the 1930s that concluded that daily exposure for your nuts to 113 F for 2 weeks will render you sterile for 6 months. Not permanently.

My nuts aren't subjected to anything over 105 F during warmup/down/PE.

[Bobo]

Just leave them alone to be on the safe side.

[Clockers]

I agree! :cool

[wern]

so Bobo and Clockers, you guys never put a hot wrap around your balls as well as penis?

[Clockers]

Yeah! I have in the past, and i shouldn't of. but that was then and this is now.

[Bobo]

I did my warmups in the shower, so the nutsack did get some too. Never had any trouble with it...

[wern]

I think if you expose your nuts to 105 F for 20mins MWF it won't do any harm.


From Mayoclinic (http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?id=MC00023&si=1701)

<LI class=doublespace>Skip the sauna. To maximize the quality and quantity of your sperm, avoid saunas, steam rooms, hot tubs and whirlpools. Spending more than 30 minutes at a time in water heated to 102 degrees Fahrenheit (40 degrees Celsius) or more may lower your sperm count. Ok I'll lower it to 100 F :D

[Bobo]

We finns have been known by our good sperm quality despite the fact that we use the sauna alot. Maybe it's the long and dark winter that balances things?

[wern]

Apprently Finland is really awsome. My Dad has been. But it is on the other side of the world. How many languages can you speak by the way Bobo?

[Bobo]

I speak finnish, swedish and english very well, and I know some basics in german and chinese. Going to upgrade my german skills soon... and propably french too.

Why did You want to know this?

[wern]

I have a curiosity about Finland because I know nothing of it and I am hearing good things here and there. I have the capabilities, time and money to travel so it may be a place I will visit in the near future. I determine if I like a place significantly by the locals. That's why I am asking :)

[Bobo]

Ok... Finland really is beautiful. Northern Finland is at its best on autumn when the leaves get all the red shades... what was that called... can't remember. Winter is also good with all the outdoor activities, and summer can be hot and nice. Hell... visit us anytime! :cool

[wern]

I usually go overseas in january, and visit a few countries, so i might go to finland in 2006.

[Bobo]

It's cold and dark here then, but maybe You'll see some amazing northern lights? Go and visit Santa, he lives in Finland You know... :lol:

http://science.nasa.gov/spaceweather/aurora/images2003/13oct03/Jussila2.jpg

[BIGOKE]

Now Bobos just showing off :evil:











:lol: :lol:

[Bobo]

:puke: Well, I love my country... clean nature, low pollution, safety... the list goes on and on. If only this whole planet was like Finland... safe, clean and peaceful. Maybe some day?

[Shane_Bos]

You think Finlands beautiful, look at the UK...

http://www.bardware.com/bardware/eng-big.jpg

Now thats pretty!

[Bobo]

What's that? :wink: Finland is at least shaped like a woman:

http://www.paltamo.fi/kylayhdistykset/melalahti/sijainti/pics/suomi.gif

You see what I mean? A woman in a skirt, dancing with a hand waving in the air... my beautiful Finland... :mrgreen

[Shane_Bos]

That looks nothing like a woman. And if it does, shes fat. Valk'll like Finland :D

[Bobo]

She doesn't look fat, it's just a big skirt that's all. :x :x :x

http://www.finnica.fi/suomi/suomi/imghistoria/0suomineito1h380.gif

[Shane_Bos]

Shes had her legs amputated :shock:

[Bobo]

No, but she had both hands in the past before Russia cut it off! :x

http://www.histdoc.net/historia/pic/suomi40.gif

[Clockers]

Stop bragging about your Countries! :x








U.S.A Top of the line baby.. :D :P :mrgreen :cheeky:




How beautiful she is! :lol:

[wern]

USA? as pretty as a used condom. Actually I enjoy going to the USA.

As for Finland looking like a woman... :shock:

[Bobo]

Finnish people have always called Finland "Ms Finland" because of its shape. A lovely girl Finland is! :cool

[Shane_Bos]

Has she got that disease the Elephant Man had? What was his name? Something Merrick.

http://www.cinefile.biz/ele-man2.jpg

His bones were all deformed and stuff so he just looked like a big blob. A bit like Ms Finland :P

[ArTee63]

She doesn't look fat, it's just a big skirt that's all. :x :x :x

http://www.finnica.fi/suomi/suomi/imghistoria/0suomineito1h380.gif

She's a bit rubenesque. More cushion for pushin'. :mrgreen

[Bobo]

:x :x :x Let's change the subject, we're going off topic big time here! :evil:

[ColdShroom]

Err. ok.

Big drag.

Last night, this sudden numbness happened to me.

As the Wern, it happened while I was moderately pulling.

I instantly felt a twinge in my pelvic area. It actually fellt somewhat pleasurable.. sort of like a rush.

Then my dick felt sort of disconnected.

The shock made me go flacid (I wasn't all that hard to begin with).. as Wern, it seemed like I couldn't get it completely up.

The more I tugged.. the more disconnected it felt.. and the numbess felt as if it was spreading to my hands(!)..

I've been having lower back pains, and the way I was sitting, I thought perhaps I had a sciatic pinch, or something.


Couldn't help but to think 'Shit... Nerve Damage.' :shock:


I too researched the net. The prenium nerve was something I have delt with in the past.. Riding a bicycle for hours pinches this nerve.

It happened last night, I still have sensation.. I can pinch it and it hurts.

As a matter of fact.. it's hanging quite well.. it would be nice to have an erection back though.

Think I'll play it safe for a few days.. jiggle it now and then, I'm not even considering an erection for at least 2-3 days.. Hope it isn't pissed off, and decide to turtle up forever.


Bummer..

:neut:

[wern]

My injury wasn't caused by stretching, it was caused by pressure on my perenium which was caused by my warmup method.

If you hands started feeling numb it may be a chemical/allregic reaction to a lotion you may have been using on your dick, or it could be something caused in the brain. It should be one of these, logically, as the hands and penis are far apart and so numbess would either come from nerves at the top of the spine, or mixed messages from the brain or from a local chemical reaction.

[ColdShroom]

I fear my injury is result of the water bottle stretch.. and has mucked up my dorsal nerve.

I still have sensitivity.. but it appears to go numb again after I become fully erect... sort of crushing the hopes of my PE gains (Which were coming along so nicely).

Big drag.. huge bummer.. I'm trying my best not to loose it, and to keep reassuring myself that nothing I have done is permanent.

[wern]

I'm not a doctor so I can't advise you, but I can tell you of my own experiences. I have had other injuries which gave my numbness for a month, but I don't think it was from PE. I was using a vaseline hand lotion with elastine in it on my dates with the palmer sisters, and I believe I developed numbness due to that. I stopped using it for a month and the sensation came back. I was scared shitless by the way and swore off PE, even though I hadn't being PE for atleast a month prior to first feeling this numbness.
But now I am pEing again :cool

[ColdShroom]

Wow.. from the lotion huh?

I don't think it's due to that. It happened basically after a workout.. I was sitting in my chair just doing some slow jelq/stretch warmdown motions, then I felt a sudden rush, if you will, in the groin area in general. Then things started going numb.

I have been having lower pack pains lately, I think it's from improper seating posture at the computer (which I use in my work as well).. When it first happened, I thought it was a pinched siatic nerve, or something..

But, as I've examined it so far.. the numbess returns when I approach a hard erection.. I can't help but to think that I have indeed gained some length, perhaps quicker than I should have, and have stretched a nerve in there somewhere.. I suspect the dorsal nerve.

I've heard someone else mention that they had a problem from a result of forcing too much blood into the head... resulting in not being able to acheive a good erection for a month or so. Not sure if this is related or not..

I think I abused the water bottle stretch a bit.. and had that weight resting right on the base, at the pubic bone.. perhaps aggrevated (to say the least) a nerve somewhere (dorsal I suspect).

Big drag.. I'm trying my best not to let this become a mental thing. I do beleive that all I need to do is to rest for a bit.. I haven't lost all sensation.. it does come back.. I do have erections.. but if I PE, the fucker goes COMPLETLY numb.

When I mentioned the spreading of the numbess to my hands.. I beleive it's just a mental thing.. I'm yanking on my dick, and it feels like I'm pulling someone else.. my hands get weired out... :shock:

Anyways.. I haven't lost it yet.. but it has made me think of what life would be without erections... which is a scarey thing to say. I still appear to be longer in flacid length, but it's shriveling more, because I haven't worked out in a week or so now.


BIG DRAG!
:x

[wern]

In that case you should see a doctor immediately because you need to set your mind at ease. The penis is a very versatile and elastic organ and it is very hard to permanently destroy it with your hands while stretching it. Some people can pull hundreds of pounds using their penis.

Check this guy out (he is very well known by the way) - he pulled that truck using his penis:

http://www.whenrealityknocks.com/wp-content/content/penistruck.jpg (http://www.whenrealityknocks.com/2005/11/)

or this guy

http://www.tai-chi-centre.com/images/ironcockdo.jpg (http://www.tai-chi-centre.com/ironcrotch.htm)

or these guys:
http://sqd.ru/img/IronCrotch_tow.jpg

[ColdShroom]

Hahaha..

Those pics are insane.

As for seeing a doctor... I'm not sure what one could do. I'm not the type to rely on a doctor's words for comfort, as surely anything another person would say about what is actually happening down there, MD or not, would be at best an educated guess.

I avoid going to see a doctor/hosipital whenever possible.. that's where all the sick people go.

I can see it now.. 'Yeah.. uh, hey doc, my penis is numb.'

Doctor: 'Can you recall anything out of the ordinary that may have caused this?'

Me: 'Well.. there was this time I was hanging a 5L water bottle from it...'

Doctor: 'Ahh, I see.. well stop doing that.'

Me: 'So you think that's it?'

Doctor: 'Well, was there anything else?'

Me: 'Well, for a while there, I was squeezing more and more blood into my penis, in an attempt to make it bigger..'

Doctor: 'Ahh, I see.. well, stop doing that.'

Me: 'Hmm, ok... sounds reasonable. Do you think it will return to normal then?'

Doctor: 'Fuck, I dunno.. Stop pulling on it for a month, take two aspirins, and make an appointment with the receptionist to see me again.. CHA-CHING!!!<cha-ching !="">

Me: 'What was that doc?

Doctor: 'Oh sorry, was that out loud?'



Of course, then I would have mad, passionate sex with the receptionist.. regardless of what it looked like... and regardless if it was numb or not.





Having said that, I appreciate your advise.. thanks for offering the info.

I was also under the impression that the penis was very resilient, as you menion. The only thing that I thought was perhaps a little over-doing it, was hanging that water bottle from my wiener. The weight in itself wasn't too heavy, but perhaps just the way it was sitting on the pubic bone, right at the base of the shaft..


Anyways, the most difficult thing is not wanking.... thanks again for the advise</cha-ching>

[ColdShroom]

Update on this..

It appears to have passed. It's been about a week or so.

Just wanked, cranked out an impressive load.. no numbness. Dick was pretty much as hard as it gets.

I figure I will ease back into PE, starting with some warmup stone throwing.. :lol:

Scarey shit though..

[wern]

Exactly, just take it easy. Start very slowly. Aren't you at ease now?? :wink:

[zeolite]

In that case you should see a doctor immediately because you need to set your mind at ease. The penis is a very versatile and elastic organ and it is very hard to permanently destroy it with your hands while stretching it. Some people can pull hundreds of pounds using their penis.

Check this guy out (he is very well known by the way) - he pulled that truck using his penis:

http://www.whenrealityknocks.com/wp-content/content/penistruck.jpg (http://www.whenrealityknocks.com/2005/11/)

or this guy

http://www.tai-chi-centre.com/images/ironcockdo.jpg (http://www.tai-chi-centre.com/ironcrotch.htm)

or these guys:
http://sqd.ru/img/IronCrotch_tow.jpgWasn't this on some BBC3 documentary and there was a link to where you could download clips of the show from in the Non-PE section a few months ago?

[ColdShroom]

Indeed, I plan on taking it easy.. figure I'll start with pulling my washing machine around, before I make my way up to the car.

[ColdShroom]

http://sqd.ru/img/IronCrotch_tow.jpg

Looks like that guy in the middle playing plucking a tune with those taught lines.. Layin down some funky-ass bass line.

[Clockers]

Dam' :shock: thats just plain nuts..:shock:

[wern]

Was that a pun clockie?? :lol:

[ColdShroom]

Tried a moderate PE workout last night, some localized numbness (not the entire unit as before).

The base of the shaft, right at the pubic bone, has numbness.. and I believe there's a subtle loss of sensitivity all over.

Maybe still need some rest... big drag.

[ColdShroom]

Ok, numbness gones, warm cock back.. happy happy, joy joy.

I did a full, proper PE workout last night.. very good results. No numbness.

Don't mean to go on and on about this.. but when it first happened, I was pretty concerned. Finding Wern's similar problem (and eventual recoup) gave me hope... Hopefully no one goes through this, but if they do.. know that it will go away, just take it easy for a few days.

Damn, not wanking for a good 5-6 days really licks..