Tribulus

[ColdShroom]

I've caught the weight lifting supplement bug. (again)

When I was young and silly.. I used to spend quite a bit of money of supplements.. Creatine, aminos, etc. For years now I basically gave up 'body building' in general, aside from cardio. But since taking the Arginine/Ornithine for the ole' wang, I have felt the positive effects on my gym training.

I'm now taking some plain jane creatine, and tribulus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribulus

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/trib.html

[soserious]

interesting.
I thought about creatine, hows the tribulus? both having an effect?

[demon]

Good to know people are hitting the gym. :) I'm training to being a body builder myself. Just ordered a nice creatine, protein and testoserone booster (NOT a steroid) supplements from one of my favorite sites. Also one thing..don't under estimate egg whites..they're very good. O_O

http://fitday.com

Free signup and all, it's great to have a log for getting into shape. :)

[MagnumXL]

I tried tribulus and lets just say its a big fucking waste of money.

[The Big Banana]

If you dont cycle tribulus it loses its testosterone boosting effect.

[ColdShroom]

I'm really just experimenting.

I've been lifting for long enough now to start to see some mass gain and increased strength with no supplements.

As for the creatin, I just started using it yesterday, I don't think this crap acts that fast, does it?

My workouts have become more and more intense lately, even before the supplements.. so what ever I performance get from the supplements could largely be placebo.. :lol: S'ok with me.

I'd like to come up with a sure fire, inexpensive, homebrew concoction..

[demon]

It actually does work fast...how many grams do you take per day? And don't forget to drink plenty of water or else your liver will just pass out :P

[ColdShroom]

Yeah.. I'm giving the liver a workout too.. cool..

Go Liver!! It's all you!! Feeel the burrrrn!!


I take about 10 grams. 5 in the morning, and 5 shortly before I hit the gym in the evening, I drink alot of water.

I think I'm going to stop the Tribulus. Fairly certain it's killing my sex drive.

[demon]

10g a day? Pfft, my grandmother used to do that on her OFF days. :P Just kidding man, and no, do NOT work out your liver haha. Unless you want to go to the hospital, than by all means go for it! :twisted:

[Shane_Bos]

If you're taking creatine monohydrate, which i assume you are, its recommended to take 20g a day for the 1st four days to saturate your body with the stuff (but this has been widely debated). After that its 5g every morning and 5g AFTER every workout, not before.

Not too sure about the tribulus, never heard of it, but what i do know is you need protein. If you arent getting enough (roughly 2g for every 1lb of bodyweight every day) then i recommend buying some whey protein or just try and up your protein intake (ie. fish, egg whites, white meat).

[ColdShroom]

Odd.. I'm almost certain the tribulus was actually decreasing my sex drive. My dink was less puffy.

I started taking it two days ago, and for both those days I had no ambition to PE, no sexual interest.. I had sex with the wife and had to concentrate to keep it up.

I didn't take it today, and I feel more normal.. more puffy again.

Think I'll put this crap back on the shelf.

[zeolite]

Is it actually possible to get 300-400g of protein every day without supplements?

[Shane_Bos]

If you're trying to build muscle, its recomended, but the average person only needs about 1/2g of protein for every 1lb of bodyweight.

[Valk]

300 to 400'????:shock: Thats fucking ridiculous!
If I would take that amount I would turn into one big pimple.

Most sources I've read dont recommend those numbers. More like 1 g/lbs and most even less.

That said, those kind of diets are only for people with no lives (ie professional bodybuilders), cause who can find the time to eat 6+ big meals a day?

[ColdShroom]

I need to develop the pecs.. I have a bit of a barrel chest, and it's hard to isolate my chest, without burning out the shoulders and triceps first.

Been doing alot of flys.. and pretty much all my chest routine is done with dumbells.

[Shane_Bos]

Try doing sets of flys then bench press once your pecs are slightly tired. Benching is the way to develop your pecs but the flys before hand will ensure your pecs get worked more than your shoulders and triceps.

I also advise, if you dont do this already, dedicating a workout each work to your chest. Chest first, then shoulders, then triceps. Biggest muscle first.

[ColdShroom]

Aye. I do flies first.. deep, slow stretch.. don't go much heavier than 40.

I have a crooked arm as well, which really throws off my weight lifting. I broke it at 13, and some knob doctor set it wrong.. Or it was a bad ass break, and that was the best they could do.

I do flys, then dumbell presses, slow and controlled, usually 60s.. and a few machines.

I'm over 240 lbs now.. dang. Still a little chub, but I feel pretty trim. I have completely neglected the cardio.. gotta start running soon.

Thanks for the info, mang..

[demon]

300 to 400'????:shock: Thats fucking ridiculous!
If I would take that amount I would turn into one big pimple.

Most sources I've read dont recommend those numbers. More like 1 g/lbs and most even less.

That said, those kind of diets are only for people with no lives (ie professional bodybuilders), cause who can find the time to eat 6+ big meals a day?

This statement is 100% bullshit. Let me go grab a bag and a poop scooper. First off, I am not a professional body builder. I have a job, and I attend college. Yet, I still have the time to consume 6 meals (if not, 8) per day. 1g per lb for protein is NOT for body builders. This is for normal weight lifters who like to tone/define their muscles and get them somewhat big. Body builders on the other thand, consume about 1.75-2g of protein per lb.

Body builders don't have lives? Now you're sounding like a women.. Most women think that body builders only think of themselves and admire themselves (some this is true, but not all). They also think that body builders have to spend most of their day at a gym (since it IS their job, why not think of that..it sounds logical). Again, this is not true. Body builders work about 1-2 hours per day at the gym (excluding off days of course). There is an important reason why..working out and straining your muscles for more than an hour can actually cause less testoserone within the body. And we all know how important the big T is to body building.

ColdShrrom, trying to lose the fat without losing the muscle? I believe owned posted something about guerilla cardio, I tried it for a few days and noticed good results. However, I had to stop due to me being lazy. ;)

Valk, I love yas man period. But I just had to point this out, not intending to pick a fight. :D Besides, we're all penis tugging loving friends :cheeky:

[ColdShroom]

I used to run alot.. I like my cardio to cut.. I don't mind loosing size, I'm too big already.

My best shape was when I used to mountain bike nearly everyday.. intensely. I did no weights, but would stop mid ride, and do a bunch of stretches, pushups, etc..

I was probably about 220 then, tight. I'm 240+ now, with a bigger upperbody.

I want to get the punching bag made.. :lol: Kicking the shit outta stuff is good cardio.

[ColdShroom]

I've lately been addicted to nori, Japanese sheets of dried sea weed..

Do you call it 'laver' in the UK?

[soserious]

I know what food you mean but dunno the name.
When you bench how do you get on with your shoulder blades pulled back and your chest puffed out? Thats supposed to help hit teh pecs more. I tend to end up my arms and front shoulders doing a lot of it.

[demon]

You got it SS! :D Puffing out the pecs more while having the bar/dumbells (I prefer dumbells, more mobility) near your chest/below it. When you push up you literally use more of your chest. However, if you want just pec development and no triceps involved..when you lower the weight all the way down go up about..1/2 to 3/4 of the way, than go back down and repeat. The last 1/2-1/4 actually uses your triceps more than your chest to execute the workout. I wish I had a diagram but bleh..it's getting late. :)

[soserious]

What are your thoughts on shoulder press? I military press but find it feels "better" if I only bring teh bar down to like eye level but some say thats a cheating rep- if I bring it down to clavicles or neck it feels kinda awkward.
Dunno, thoughts?

[demon]

Shoulder presses are fine, I do military presses myself. I also get that "awkward" feeling. Although, I do feel the burn in the right places (mostly deltoid, some tri, etc.)

Link:
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidAnterior/BBMilitaryPress.html

Shows you have to perform it correctly aswell. This site is great by the way for finding specific muscle workouts. :)

[Valk]

This statement is 100% bullshit. Let me go grab a bag and a poop scooper. First off, I am not a professional body builder. I have a job, and I attend college. Yet, I still have the time to consume 6 meals (if not, 8) per day. 1g per lb for protein is NOT for body builders. This is for normal weight lifters who like to tone/define their muscles and get them somewhat big. Body builders on the other thand, consume about 1.75-2g of protein per lb.

Body builders don't have lives? Now you're sounding like a women.. Most women think that body builders only think of themselves and admire themselves (some this is true, but not all). They also think that body builders have to spend most of their day at a gym (since it IS their job, why not think of that..it sounds logical). Again, this is not true. Body builders work about 1-2 hours per day at the gym (excluding off days of course). There is an important reason why..working out and straining your muscles for more than an hour can actually cause less testoserone within the body. And we all know how important the big T is to body building.

ColdShrrom, trying to lose the fat without losing the muscle? I believe owned posted something about guerilla cardio, I tried it for a few days and noticed good results. However, I had to stop due to me being lazy. ;)

Valk, I love yas man period. But I just had to point this out, not intending to pick a fight. :D Besides, we're all penis tugging loving friends :cheeky:

Well, I'm talking about a bodybuilding diet. Bodybuilders get most of their protein from meat and eggs and eat lots of rice.
Basicly, they eat dinner 6 times a day. I eat around 6 meals a day too, but not those kind of quality meals, which take alot of preperation and hassle if you want to consume them at work, college or whatever.

I visited a bodybuilding forum long enough to know that lots and lots of people see the constant structured eating as the downside of bodybuilding.
Those eating patterns or NOT for people with a more spontanious life.

If protein intake was such a clear-cut issue, there wouldnt be so much debates about it. I still dont think its an axiom that you need 300+ protein a day.

[ColdShroom]

Shit.. so much fuss and bother over anything seems silly to me.

Sure I want to get into shape.. no I won't be winning any Mr. Olympia any time soon.

[Shane_Bos]

Sorry i caused such an issue over protein intake. All i was stating is that to build muscle faster, its recommended that more protein must be consumed (although it has been debated).

What isnt debatable is that a certain amount of protein is needed for muscle growth, however, this isnt as much as is suggested. For optimal muscle growth, this may be more, which is why people take supplements such as whey etc.

[demon]

Grams in weight for "normal" people. (e.g. you weigh 150lbs take 150g).

For people who want to go pro (I myself do not recommend this much...but a lot of body builders swear by this formula..) take grams x 2 in weight. (e.g. 150lbs = 300g)

Also, creatine has a lot of bad rep..it actually isn't bad. Just get the pure/micronized one (you dont need micronized but some people have stomache problems with the normal powder).

[ColdShroom]

I love the metric meets imperial system..

Shit.. How many grains for each stone?


The creatine Im using is micronized.

[The Big Banana]

Unless youre using prohormones, insulin or one of the other pro bodybuilding goodies theres no point in using that much protein demon. Most of it will be excreted through your urine putting stress on your kidneys. It will also cause calcium loss through your urine as well, weakening your bones.

The only other time you would need that kind of protein is if you were a long distance runner/ swimmer etc.

[demon]

Again TBB, I don't recommend the x 2 formula either. I go by weight in grams :) I do cardio sports aswell for my school so I'm covered there :cool Also..5g of creatine per day is good. Some people say 25g, 10g, etc. I can't find the article that I read this on..but I found another article (apparently another t-nation article..) that has some facts about creatine.

From the article
I’m still amazed that people use so much creatine, especially with all of the data showing how little we actually need. One study showed that after loading, muscle creatine levels were maintained on 0.03g/kg creatine each day (Hultman et al., 1996). This means that a resting 220—pound athlete could maintain creatine levels on a mere 3g/day (and most people using creatine are nowhere near this size)! Keep in mind that this doesn’t not mean that a 100kg guy absolutely needs 3g/day; it simply means that this is as low as researchers have gone while still maintaining elevated levels (i.e. it seems to be the upper limit of what we need).

Link: http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459369

As for your question shroom,
1 stone = 6.35029318 kilograms (14 pounds)
therefor... 1 stone = 6,350.29318 grams

[ColdShroom]

As for your question shroom,
1 stone = 6.35029318 kilograms (14 pounds)
therefor... 1 stone = 6,350.29318 grams

Grams!?! I said GRAINS!! EVERYONE knows that there's 6,350.29318 grams in a stone.. but how many grains?

Silly metric system, fuckin' commies.

[demon]

1 grain = 1.02040816 × 10-5 stone

Sorry, thought you had a typo :lol:

The "-5" is an exponent.

[The Big Banana]

Why did you do the number of stones in a grain, instead of the number of (I assume imperial) grains in a stone (98000)?

[demon]

...fuck you TBB! :D Nah, wasn't thinking clearly so I just googled it really fast. My answer sounds way more confusing anyways. :cool Now that I got some breakfast maybe I can come up with a new exercise for PE that turns your dick into a huge floppy penis..like a slug or something. :lol: