Giving something back to the Community

[7up]

I've been visting CC for just under two years now. I thought with a new forum and a new username it would be a good time to start posting some of the things I've learnt and experienced so far in my PE career.

For the first year or so knowing about PE, I didnt have a set routine, really just experimented safely 2-3 times a week to see if i noticed any growth. I did. As a result I started doing a routine of things I felt worked for me every 2 days (1 day On, 1 Day off) to take it more seriously. It was during this time, a period of about 2 months, where i gained the best i have so far.

My pre PE stats were 6.6 EL and 4.8 EG. Currently im 7.5 EL and 5 EG.

Your probably thinking now why I only stuck with a routine that was working for 2 months? Well, I learnt that theres lots of factors I have to get right to make PE work. Basically my lifestyle changed, lost a job, sleep pattern got disrupted and stress levels rose. I was happy with my gains at that point, had holidays/vacations coming up and thought id have a break. Maybe if id have carried on the gains would have stopped anyway or maybe I would have hit a plateau? Who knows....

I started up again about a month ago after a long break (I did a few random sessions in between), on a routine very similar to one i was gaining with. Basically I do....

5 min Warm up
20 min Wet Jelq
5 min Warm down
2-3 Downward Stretches after about 30 seconds each, but varies.

Simple, but has worked for me. Im not into girth holds right now, just seeing how far i can get with EL, my goal is 8 inches at the moment.

Setting up and performing a good quality routine is only 50% of making it work for me though, like i mentioned before, I think theres loads of extra things that can be done to really help gains. I'll post any help I think is worthwhile sharing in here.

Also I think its important that I give a little more detail on things I mention, How I warm up? How I Jelq? Some of the most useful stuff i've read on here have been 'minor details.'

I don't plan to post regular progress measurments here nessersarily, maybe once in a while to show if things are working. I try not to measure that often, motivation and all that.

To be continued....

[Shane_Bos]

Well welcome mate...

[ArTee63]

Sounds like a classic case of Less Is More. Bobo will be proud. :P

[wern]

7up, good luck with it mate. Would you care to share your specific "minor details" with us?? :)

[Ed]

Well, I learnt that theres lots of factors I have to get right to make PE work. Basically my lifestyle changed, lost a job, sleep pattern got disrupted and stress levels rose. I was happy with my gains at that point, had holidays/vacations coming up and thought id have a break. Maybe if id have carried on the gains would have stopped anyway or maybe I would have hit a plateau? Who knows....



You touched on an important thing for maintaining momentum and commitment. Everything works well if your environment is friendly to PEing. But if it isn't, finding the right level of commitment becomes increasingly difficult. Do you have a discrete place to PE? If you are sharing a washroom with many folks, the answer is probably no. If you can't be discrete, then it may be too difficult to bother. When I am off work, my who routine gets fucked up and I can barely remember to brush my teeth let alone schedule stuff in. I guess the important thing is, no matter how long you've been gone, welcome back!

[Clockers]

Welcome 7up..good luck on your journey. :cool

[wern]

Ed, you can do most PE exercises in the shower and in public toilet cubicles (dry jelqs, stretches, Godma's helicopter©). You can also kegel anywhere throughout the day. As for wet jelqs, you trully need a private place but that exercise itself can take 10mins and be effective.

[7up]

Thanks to all who have read the first installment to my 'diary.' Feels a bit strange to have a few 'welcome backs,' Ive never actually left, just never posted before. As for my break in PE, im in no rush and had been waiting to start my own routine up again when I felt it would be worthwhile.

[7up]

7up, good luck with it mate. Would you care to share your specific "minor details" with us?? :)

Im gonna create some stuff offline to post on here containing all this detail ive promised. I don't think im some kind of guru on PE, far from it, but theres a few things i've found are very useful and important to the whole process. Im hoping maybe people see something that may help enhance their own gains.

Its not gonna be some miracle guide, the way i do things works for me, only a percentage of the way I do things will benefit someone else. Probably.

[wern]

Im gonna create some stuff offline to post on here containing all this detail ive promised. I don't think im some kind of guru on PE, far from it, but theres a few things i've found are very useful and important to the whole process. Im hoping maybe people see something that may help enhance their own gains.

Its not gonna be some miracle guide, the way i do things works for me, only a percentage of the way I do things will benefit someone else. Probably.

Good that you aren't promising anything because I'm not expecting. All I am hoping for is more viewpoints on technique and miscellaneous details. The more diverse that info we get about experiences and reflection is, the better we can make ourselves in a quicker time-period.

[7up]

My PE Routine

I do my routine every other day in the evening (between 6pm-11pm). Privacy is not a problem for me at the moment luckily, there’s always an hour or so where I can go and use the bathroom unnoticed. I take my watch in with me to make sure I warm up/down for at least 5 mins. Simple stuff there but it’s helped me to be organised and know where I’m at in the routine.

My routine is very basic, I have never really done dry jelqs, holds etc.

5 minute warm up - I stand against the sink which I run hot water into. I soak a wash cloth in the water and wrap it round. During the 5 mins I then either get a plastic beaker and tip hot water over or fill the beaker and place my wrapped penis inside, over the sink. This works well, but it’s best to keep running more hot water to keep the temp up and re-wrapping. The beaker is big enough at the moment, probs holds about a pint. The rising heat from the water in the sink also helps get a good warm up and is also very useful for the next stage (recent discovery).

20 min Wet Jelq - I use a moisturiser for this, Vaseline Intensive Care. Does the job and can be stored next to your toothbrush in the bathroom as it’s not a blatant lube. I mentioned my recent discovery, basically I do most of the 20 mins over the sink (standing up, penis over the water). I keep adding more hot water to the sink which really helps blood flow as the heat rises. This worked so well for me, I actually overworked in my last PE, and probs should have stopped after 16-17 mins as the quality was so good. Sometimes I’ll switch and just do it standing away from the sink, variation.

I can't really describe the way I wet jelq, it’s different for everyone and you get better with practice. It is as simple as forcing the blood through the shaft towards the gland, but at the same time a complex thing for an individual to master and their own success. As long as you don’t squeeze too hard, or have too much blood in there, or have a near full erection, from my experience you'll be ok. I've had red spots, but they go in a day and are defiantly a reminder to check how intense you are. Start off slow, ease the amount of pressure and blood you have in there, I never intended to go flat out for 20 mins. On that, when needed I will stop for about 30 secs - 1 min. In this time I’ll take a few deep breaths, let the blood circulate and give my hands a rest.

5 minute Warm down - Same as warm up

At the moment afterwards I’m doing a few 30 second downward stretches, working the ligaments gently. Tip; massage the ligaments when stretched lightly. Not a major part of my PE, but I feel the 2 or 3 I do are worthwhile. After that hopefully I've got that post workout feel, having not exhausted myself but done enough that some growth can happen over the next two days.

So there you go, my routine, very basic and doesn’t take that long. When I did this for about 2 months it produced gains for me, and already having not measured there's signs its working again. Any questions? Thoughts?

[7up]

Away from the Routine

There are a lot of factors which can affect the success of PE from my experience. I'll list a few off the top of my head, maybe go into more detail on some of them in the next few days/weeks.

Stress
Exercise
Consistency
Food
Drink
Sleep
Privacy
Masturbation
Energy levels
Frequency
Luck

I plan to just add stuff I think would be helpful for any level of PE'er on these and any other related subjects. If anyone is interested in a specific topic say so, cos I could explain that one first.

Remember some of what I write will be adaptations of information already on this forum, so for some it maybe revision, others it maybe something which could enhance their own PE. Hopefully though over time I give something back to the forum, as I wouldn’t have gained as much as I have without it.

[wern]

nice, and good point about the redspots. Also, I agree about the factors external to PE which affect it. If you are a cynic, your attitude will work against you. Same goes for chronic stress heads. Being positive and balanced helps your body grow.

[7up]

Continuing on from before, heres some stuff bout the extra factors I mentioned.

STRESS can really affect your gains. Your body won't work as efficently as it would normally due to different chemical balances, so any processes required for PE won't function as well. Also it'll affect the quality of SLEEP you get, affecting healing and growth speed.

One way to reduce STRESS, other than solving whatever is directly causing it, is to EXERCISE. But EXERCISE is also good as it will give your body a boost. It increases testosterone, reduces fat and generally just keeps your body fit and efficent. One of the main reasons I do exercise is to keep my body producing all the natural chemicals etc. to aid the PE.Also good regular EXERCISE will help you SLEEP better.

What FOOD you eat is important too. Carbohydrates for energy, Proteins for tissue repair/growth, Vitamins aswell. My diet isnt that strict at the moment because I'm doing enough exercise to earn the odd 'treat.' But I'd say 90% of what I eat is healthy, I don't have much alcohol. I tend to avoid crisps, chocolate, sweets and fizzy drinks aswell. I always try and eat breakfast as its good for your metabolism, long periods without FOOD reduce testosterone. Some people will need to do very little exercise to get the benefits, others may need more, depends on the individual.

DRINK lots of water. Very worthwhile. Reduces STRESS, your body needs for many of its functions and can make you feel fuller which stops you eating too much. Also i've read that it helps bloodflow by increasing the volume of blood in you, very useful! Generally a very healthy thing to do. DRINK lots after EXERCISE to help recovery and growth, not just a PE there.

SLEEP is very important. People say 8 hours is a good amount to get each night, from experience it works aiming for that. But quality is more important. You need a SLEEP pattern and should avoid very late nights. Also getting up late too many times if you don't need to will affect the following nights SLEEP quality. I'd say its more important to get to SLEEP earlier, but its all about balance, depends on how tired you are from the day and the previous nights SLEEP. Your ENERGY LEVELS will better the next day if you can manage this well. I've read posts from people that havent gained after PE'ing for a while, maybe something as simple as the SLEEP they get holds them back?

MASTURBATION will be different for everyone. Depends on how quickly your penis recovers and how healthy you are generally. For me a good balance is too restrict it to every 2nd off day. I always read stuff from people saying how they practically give up wanking to get gains. I actually think it helps my PE. Stops me from getting too much of an erection during my routine and its a healthy thing to do (keeps everything working). Only a problem when it tires the tissue.

FREQUENCY is another big one. You need to train your body to be efficent in the repair-growth cycle between PE sessions. You need do it regular so your body can improve each time how it performs this cycle, until you do it so well for the intensity of your routine, you stop gaining at all. A Plateau. Also linked to that is CONSISTENCY, maintaining the same routine and intensity over a number of sessions will help gains, its important to let you body adapt slowly (I'm going to do another post of exactly how slow gains were for me. Little calculation I did.)

Finally I'll just cover briefly the other ones I mentioned. LUCK may seem like a strange one, but you may like me PE at a certain time each day. So for a reason out of your control you may not get a chance to do your routine for a few days. Obviously not the end of the world, but not ideal. For me I only need about 45 mins every 2 days to do it, up to now ive not had a problem fitting it in. PRIVACY I'd also link to LUCK, I find it better to PE when theres no-one else in the house, altho its not crucial.

Few random thoughts there, please add to them if you have any good ideas. Also, got any factors you think should be considered alongside the ones ive highlighted?

[7up]

Heres the 11 factors I mentioned, in order of how important I think they are for me. Rank them yourself, they will be different.

1 - Frequency
2 - Exercise
3 - Sleep
4 - Stress
5 - Drink
6 - Food
7 - Consistency
8 - Privacy
9 - Energy levels
10 - Masturbation
11 - Luck

[7up]

In this month 1 year ago, I gained 0.27 of an inch Erect Length. I did my routine about 15 times I've guessed in April 2004, as I was doing it every other day. So...

My Gains/Amount of Sessions = Gains per session

0.27/15 = 0.018 Inches (0.04572 Cm)

Altho only a rough calculation, I just though that showed how even when I was gaining that its a slow process. If you force it then you end up spending all the repair and growth time between sessions on repair. On your Jelqs, only increase your volume to maybe 2-3% over its limit, I don't see any point in going for 5-10% when you'll never get the tissue to repair to that capacity. You'll only do damage.

Those percentages are ruff ideas too, i suppose...

Original EL/Current EL x 100 = Percentage

6.6/7.5 x 100 = 88

So I've increased my EL by 12% since starting PE?

Got anyone to mark these sums?

[Shane_Bos]

You cant work in imperial when doing %ages as an inch goes up to 0.8 so unless you mean '7.5' as '7 1/2' which is 7.4 inches then thatl be wrong. Also, its change/original x 100 so using your figures of 6.6 starting and 7.5 current:

6.6 = 6 6/8 inches
7.5 = 7 4/8 inches

gain of 6/8 of an inch which is 0.75

so 0.75 / 6.75 = 11.11111111

You was close so dont be too disheartened :D

[wern]

Now I am confused :?

[Shane_Bos]

Trust me, im a mathmatician :D

[smooth]

Do my statistics homework for me, ill scan it. brb.

[7up]

When I've measured I do it in centimetres and then divide that figure by 2.54 to get the Inches. Is this right?

I get to 18.2cm on the ruler. Then I add the 0.8 for the bit before the scale starts.

[7up]

Just found this....

Formula
Centimeters to inches: cm x 0.39

Inches to centimeters: in x 2.54

My measurments have been wrong all along! Just bcos I tried to do it without help, oh well. I assumed u could just divide by 2.54. Off to find out the truth.

[7up]

Yeah, slighty less, no problem. So I thought I was 7.5 EL, but thats doing the measurment sitting down. Got a measurment from a few months back done standing, gonna work off that, was about 7.25. But that'll come down again once I redo the formulas in my spreadsheet.

[7up]

Having said that, with all the kegals and good sessions I've been doing, I may have gone back up again, havent measured for ages.

Thats an idea for another 'Factor' I could right a bit about, Kegals, very important. Depends if you think its part of the routine or not, for me its an extra thing.

[Shane_Bos]

Just buy a ruler with inches on aswel as centimeters.

[Shane_Bos]

Do my statistics homework for me, ill scan it. brb.

A mathmetician is different to a statician. I hate stats!

[wern]

Just found this....

Formula
Centimeters to inches: cm x 0.39

Inches to centimeters: in x 2.54

My measurments have been wrong all along! Just bcos I tried to do it without help, oh well. I assumed u could just divide by 2.54. Off to find out the truth.

That is incorrect. 1 inch = 2.54 cm.
So if you want cm converted to inches, divide cm by 2.54. Don't multiply by 0.39 because that is a rounded figure. Its either dividing it by 2.54 or multiplying it by 0.3937007874015748031496062992126
You choose.

[7up]

Hmm, So having lost a bit, ive gained it back within a day, not bad. Is it still ok to divide for example 19cm by 2.54 and use the result the calculator gives as inches.

I don't know much about imperial measurements. I've been quoting figures like 7.4, 7.5 etc. But I get the feeling that you don't use decimals with inch values.

[7up]

I've also just noticed on an inch ruler that an inch is split into 16 little sections, any help on this would be great!

Also suggest how to go on taking/quoting measurments...

[Ed]

Use metric, maybe it'll catch on on CC (by the way, that is not cubic centimetres)

[MagnumXL]

i used to use inches and thought i hadent gained until i started using centimeters.

[wern]

For all your conversion needs:


PE Conversion chart (http://www.geocities.com/the_general.rm/measurements.htm)

[7up]

Excellent, as I sed i've never really been taught imperial. I can use a decimal form of inches as shown on the chart. I've learnt a few things there which is good. Time to discuss something new now.....

[7up]

Use metric, maybe it'll catch on on CC (by the way, that is not cubic centimetres)

Actually I'll finally touch on this. Would be nice as I don't have an inch ruler. But most people quote inches, not just on here. I dont think you'll ever see on porn '25.4cm Cock!'

[Ed]

some habits are hard to change but there's no reason you should have to change your habits either. In any case, we're bilingual on CC.

[smooth]

Speak for yourself. :lol:

[7up]

some habits are hard to change but there's no reason you should have to change your habits either. In any case, we're bilingual on CC.

I'm just gonna carry on like I was before, my calculations were ok. I use centremetres to check growth cos thats the only type of ruler I had. Its reasuring to know that any inches conversions I quote on here are definalty accurate.

[7up]

Get a few thoughts on jelqing. I’m aiming for erect length at the moment, trying to get to 8 inches. Since about 2 workouts ago, I’d been too erect doing wet jelqs. This made it more of a girth exercise. But not a very good one because although I had a decent amount of blood in there, each rep didn’t last long enough to build up any sort of pressure (that you would aim for with a hold).

So all I think I've gained since my return to regular workouts are stronger erections, not much girth and not much length. Also I couldn’t have gone straight back to an intense workout without a few weeks to get the tissue used to the repair/growth cycle, which I’ve done now.

Also I'll mention that I've extended my wet jelq time to 25 mins, this is what I was doing before. I defiantly get a better workout doing that bit extra; I find the quality is better in the last 10 mins. It also means you can start off the workout slower and avoid any damage from forcing it. Basically results in a patient workout which allows me time to get the quality within the 25 mins or sometimes before resulting in stopping at 20 mins. I do a few stretches before now, giving me more to work with during a session. Finally I've been doing a little extra warming up and down too make sure I don’t cause an injury.

But the main point of this post was to discuss jelqing. I have a few thoughts on technique. I read something on CC before about imagining the inside of your penis is a balloon. I'll use this idea to explain some stuff I’ve been thinking about.

For me at the moment, wet jelqing, I want to make the balloon longer. So I don’t want too much blood in there, because if I go too fast and grip too hard it might burst. I’m aiming to get enough engorgement that I can stretch the balloon outwards, using the blood in there to gently pressure the walls at the end. Making the end of the balloon over time break down/repair and grow longer to accept more blood. The speed and pressure I’m using now feels right. But before I was going too quickly with too much erection, I got a few red spots near the end as I was sending a lot of blood to the gland too quickly.

In the future I plan to dry jelq once I’m at 8 inches EL. I find it easy to get my penis really engorged. Using the balloon idea, a slow and tight grip down the length of it will increase width.

Whilst thinking about all this I’ve decided to focus more on why I’m doing the workout. For me, being really engorged and wet jelqing really slow is pointless. I may aswell just forget the lube and do a dry jelq. Also this supports the less is more theory because the tissue won’t develop if you exhaust it. In this case, less erection and intensity.

[Growing]

This is all awsome information 7up, thanks man. I tried PE a few years ago and came to many of the same conclusions as you about the different factors associated with seeing success. I never PE'd for more than about 2 months, and my resutls were quite minimal to say the least. It had me questioning whether or not PE works at all. But I think if one does everything right and stays with it, they can see good results.

I've been lurking on the boards since the new forums came up, reading the progress diaries and the general PE convo. forums and sorta gearing myself up mentally for one last, serious run at natural PE. I was "gonnadoit" on the old forums, had a few hundred posts, but I'm not too worried about gettin them back.

I'm particular interested in learning more on how Excercise and Masterbation affect PE results. I'm convinced that most people have to cut down a bit on their wanking if they wanna see real results. According to you, one shouldn't wank more than once every 4 days (every other off day). This seems about right, although I'm thinking even less wanking would be better, what do you think?

As for Excercise, my problem is that I workout at night, and also tend to PE at night. With my body using its resources to help itself recover, would it be unwise to PE after excercise? And if I PE BEFORE I excercise, my body will using most of its energy and resources as fuel for my workout, which would probably adversely affect the immediate recovery process for the PE workout I just did before I excercised. What do you think of all this?

I want to have at PE one last time before I have to accept having a small penis my whole life :cry:

I'll be going on vacation in about 3 weeks, during which I'll be around people almost the entire day, so I'm thinking PE will not be a very realistic proposition. I'll be on vacation for about 12 days. So I'm thinking of getting started as soon as I get back.

Ok, I just realized I've hi-jacked your progress diary, sorry! Any tips and advice from anyone would be really appreciated though.

[7up]

Excellent, someones posted and a chance for a bit of discussion!

On the wanking, I know I put every 2nd off day, but since then ive kinda changed my opinion. I think its relative to how you are feeling generally. For example, yesterday when I did my workout, Id had a lot of rest in the day and was feeling good. As a result in my workout it was harder to control my erections and the quality was poor. As ive mentioned in my last post, im goin for minimal erection at the moment as im wet jelqing for length. Consider this versus the previous workout when I was a litte tired from work and got up early that day, when I came to PE I had a really good workout as i hardly got an erection. So what im saying is I think theres a case for saying your penis can be in too good condition. Take it day by day, for me at the moment im wanking maybe 2-3 times a week to keep erections down. Only on off days mind, and usually 24 hours before/after I do my routine. Using today as an example, it will help my workout tommorrow if I knock one out tonite. Lets say though that your not feeling 100% one week, probs best to have a few days off wanking as its unlikely your penis will be 100% either.

[7up]

On the exercise point made, I feel its very important to PE. The more active your body is, the more likely it is to react to your workout.

I do my PE every two days, sometimes though I have 2 off days, sometimes I might do 2 days of PE in row.

As a rule though I don't do my regular exercise, ie gym, football etc. on the same day as I PE. Usually on the days between my PE.

For me, I've got gains like this and find it easier. I don't usually feel like PE'ing after exercise and don't think I could fit it in before sometimes.

On this one im not sure. Theres a case to say you'll be better rested to seperate the two and avoid doing them too close together. But in another case you could argue that if you PE before going to the gym, the exercise after will trigger your body into recovery mode. If you get a good nites sleep after and your diet is good, you'll probs gain just the same. It would just be an extra exercise you do, just working a different part of the body.

[7up]

Finally I'll tackle the holiday issue mentioned before. As I mentioned in one of my first posts, one reason why I put my PE on hold in the past was because it would be very hard to continue the routines when on 'vacation.'

If you go on hols with friends or family, you've got no chance to get 30 mins of jelqing in, or be alone to do a few holds.

At best I imagine on my next holiday all i'll be able to do is stretches, which I think will be quite easy to do. Also kegals you can do anywhere, maybe theres a chance to focus on them for a week or two. I read a post by a guy who did kegals before he even attempted a routine and got good results, no harm in strengthening the pc muscle.

Just have to ease back in when you get back, like I do 30 mins wet jelqing at the mo, probs would return at 15-20 mins.

[7up]

Just a quick update on my progress. Havent officially measured for a month or 2 but I can tell its working as my erection has gone past my belly button. Also the skin has been stretched when I wake up, a sign that I had before when i gained.

I may have only gained like 0.1cm but its a steady process and with my new low erection jelq, in two months I maybe talking bout 0.5cm or higher since the last measurments.

I wouldnt say PE has taken over my life at the moment, but I do make sure im in a good sleep pattern, I do regular exercise and eat right. These things benefit you in general, not just aid PE.

Currenlty my workouts last about 25mins of wet jelqing only, sometimes go on a little bit more, sometimes less, common sense decisions. Stretch on off days at the mo aswell. Also when im warming up on focusing on the glans area as this is where I get red spots if I ova work, seems to help prevent them.

Another thing im doing to prevent red spots is to stop my stroke about 80% up my shaft rather than jelqing all the way to the head, I figure theres probs been enough blood pushed into the glans at the stage of the jelq, dont wanna do any damage by increasing the volume too much.

Overall, I feel my PE is very good at the moment, but I'll only have evidence in a month or two I think. Im not expecting my next measurments to be that much better, I may keep picking really bad times to measure and not get an accurate figure. Or I may choose a good day and be like 0.5cm longer, who knows.

[Shane_Bos]

Excellent, someones posted and a chance for a bit of discussion!

I would reply but your posts are sooooo big, and im sooooo lazy, sorry dude.

[7up]

I would reply but your posts are sooooo big, and im sooooo lazy, sorry dude.

Fair enough, I do try and keep things consise, but I did say Id talk about things in detail. You can read some interesting things but wish that they had expanded on a few things on here sometimes. From my experience on CC the better posts are ones which don't generalise a topic.

[Growing]

7up, the only way we're gonna advance in this world of PE is through detailed experimenting and posting like you're doing. I enjoyed reading what you had to say.

As for me, I had planned to excercise about 4 or 5 days a week, which would mean excercise days would overlap with some of my PE days. I guess I'll just have to live with it. I think I'll PE AFTER the workouts. And drink lots of protein shakes :cool

I plan to start May 23rd.. this is when I get back from vacation. I start my holidays on May 10th. Or would you all suggest I get started now? I just don't want to interrupt my routine by having to be on vacation with people. I doubt if I'll be able to get a single good wet jelqing session in.

[OneMoreRep]

:idea: :idea: I agree 7up having never read your journal before i can say BRAVO, i like the detail you put into it.

VERY VERY interesting!

currently i am trying out some new things... if/when i see gains... i will definitely start a journal.

:D

[7up]

Update....

As I've mentioned, im wet jelqing for length, so the erection level should be lower and the stroke should be of a good speed. I have noticed though its important not too go too fast and lose the quality of each rep. Also, and probably more importantly, you need to have enough blood pumping and also a slight erection to do any 'damage' during the workout. By 'damage' of course I mean a break down of the tissue in order for it to grow back to hold a larger volume of blood.

Im really feel like im gaining, but it wont be the end of the world if the last months efforts dont accumulate to much. I tend to think I've not got much to lose by PE'ing.

[7up]

In additition to the previous discussion on masturbation.....

I actually feel now its better to go for as long as possible without. Im much more confident of gaining from a workout if before and after the tissue is in top condition.

Its a good idea to masturbate every week or so to keep yourself healthy down there, so that would be a reason to stop putting it off. Also as I've found if I go too long without then I get too much of an erection during my workouts.

[7up]

..also I don't think its a good idea to say 'masturbate every other off day.' If you dont need it then don't do it for the sake of it. Its all common sense and just keeping a good balance of rest and activity.

Another reason why I'm not so bothered by a cut down in masturbation is that I see myself in a period of PE'ing at the moment, and if it all goes well I'll get my gains and I'll go back to 'normal' when I've acheived my goals. Easy sacrafice to make.

[7up]

I've never really thought stretches would work for me, but I've been doing between 5 and 10 mins everyday and im now starting to see some visual length gains from it.

Definalty worth doing them as frequently as possibe. Before I did them very occasionally, but didnt ever really do enough to start extending the ligaments.

[7up]

In contradiction to what I've said before about masturbation, I now think its not so great to wait a while between. I was in such good condition a day or 2 ago that my workout didnt really do anything. I think its easier to break down the tissue if you aren't 95/100%.

To condense several posts into one word, Balance.

[7up]

Just measured. My erect length when standing up was 18.1 cm (down 0.3 cm)and erect girth 12.8 cm (no change).

Nothing to worry about. I put the slight 'loss' down to fatigue, too long a routine and my general fitness being not as good as it could be. Also penis size fluctuates, so next month I may measure on a good day and be very surprised.

Visually I thought I'd gained, plenty of time to get some gains. Over the next month im gonna see if getting fitter helps. I'm also going to do a minimum 20 mins of wet jelqs every 2 days, going to a max of 25 mins depending on quality acheived in the first 20 mins. Very simple stuff.

I think ive had flaccid gains, but I dont actually keep record of them. Im going to ditch stretches for now, Ive got a theory that they are causing some flaccid length gains, but create a bit of extra overall fatigue to affect any tissue gains. I still think they are a usuful part of PE, just not for me at the moment.

Finally I'm going to organise doing kegals more often. I think I can defianlty do more to get the benefits of them. Hopefully all this will result in some gains in a months time.

[Growing]

sorry to see you didn't gain. You do seem to have the right attitude about it though, and that's most important.

So you attribute this to being fatigued? Do you mean your penis is fatigued (overworked) or you are as a whole? Would too much masterbation have anything to do with it or have you cut that down quite a bit.

Best of luck with everything... we're all "pullin" for ya :lol:

[7up]

sorry to see you didn't gain. You do seem to have the right attitude about it though, and that's most important.

So you attribute this to being fatigued? Do you mean your penis is fatigued (overworked) or you are as a whole? Would too much masterbation have anything to do with it or have you cut that down quite a bit.

Best of luck with everything... we're all "pullin" for ya :lol:

Attitude is very important, I really do try and stay positive. I was thinking bout quitting over the weekend, but theres not much too lose PE'ing, and everything to gain. If you dont gain for ages and look back on the time spent, at least you tried it.

Overall I've felt a bit run down and tired. I also have been overdoing the PE, 'less is more' definalty works for me. No stretches, shorter workouts, more kegals and better general fitness is my new gaining formula. When I've gained its been on simple 20 minute wet jelqing every two days.

Masturbation aint a problem, I definalty dont do too much. I've had a few days off PE and am doing a workout tonite, thought it would be good to reset myself and go again.

[7up]

On the less is more theory, I really think what with how slow gains can be, how important it is to not overdo it.

I've been pushing it a bit too much, extending my workouts to try and increase the chance of a gain. Doesnt work like that for me at all.

To get any growth I think i've got to keep the intensity at a normal level, otherwise my between PE time is gonna be spent recovering rather than growing.

I think I just added more fatigue after each workout to the point where my measurements actually went slightly down.

So less PE = better gains, cant be bad!

[7up]

Something I'm going to do involving the post workout condition. Its an idea from thinking bout how I gained before and trying to recreate that environment.

I have started having extra showers washing off all the moisturiser post PE, before I would just rub it in and generally clean up after a workout. The vitamin C in the lotion could be very important as its needed for maintenence of the penis.

Also I would before try and keep the area warm right after a workout. If I went to bed pretty much straight after this happened by default. But Im going to try and sit with a cushion or pillow in my lap as much as possible to insulate the area. Also I remember doing a 2nd warm down a few hours after if I had done an early workout that day.

All about finding the formula that works.

[Jilted Mind]

Very interesting thread 7up, keep it up! :wink:

[7up]

Very interesting thread 7up, keep it up! :wink:

Less is definatly more. Im about to do another session and my last was very good. I did a touch over 20 mins wet jelqs, with 2-3 second strokes. The whole thing was very relaxed and my erection level was perfect.

Theres a thread somewhere on here with a diagram suggesting that for length gains your jelqs shuld be faster/take less time. I agree with this however I took it too literally and only really got a mild stretch from my past few weeks. Thats why I only got flaccid length gains.

Now that I've been back in the PE game again for a month or two, Ive remembered all the good stuff I used to do and have practised enough. I really think im gonna get some gains this month.

I was certainly exhausting myself before, even doing just the 20 minutes of jelqing on wednesday nite, I still felt my penis recovering today, maybe it was the feeling of growth? Im gonna be really strict with this 20 minute rule, it is really hard to tell how much its taken out of you as you do the exercise and also for the few hours after it.

Theres no point in adding 5 mins on the end of a workout to 'make sure.' Theres a much better chance of gains if you do slighty 'too little.'

[7up]

Im going to go through whats been said before in this thread and summarise it for people a bit daunted by some of the longer posts. Hopefully that way I'll even more people interested in some of the experiences and information I can provide.

Should be posted later today. A rare statement for this forum, i'll try and keep it as short as possible.

[7up]

Summary of this thread so far....(with status update)....

I've been aware of PE and performing the exercises for coming upto 2 years. Started at 6.6 EL and 4.8 EG, now at just over 7.0 EL and 5.0 EG. Just under two months ago I began doing a my routine every 2 days again, like I did when I acheived my gains before.

In this recent return to frequent PE'ing, I've adjusted many factors and reminded myself how get some success. I’ve not seen any major gains yet, but I think ive finally sorted my technique out and am confident I’ll see some growth at the end of this month.

If you have time to read through the earlier posts in this thread you’ll find discussion on many PE factors external to the workout itself. General lifestyle things are covered and I change my mind several times about how much you should masturbate in times of PE. It is a simple as keeping a good balance, for mostly everything.

My most recent measurements where slightly down as I’d been overworking. I put this down to fatigue rather than an overall size loss.

My current setup is a workout every 2 days comprising of a 5 minute warm up, no more than 20 mins wet jelqing and a 5 minute warm down. I don’t do any stretches, holds or dry jelqs at the moment.

I’ve slowed my jelqing technique down and I have a much better post workout feeling. I kegal randomly, usually if I’m watching TV or summit, I don’t have a routine in place for this. Also I’ll do the occasional heli shake, they do seem to improve blood flow and general condition should you feel you need it.

I try to wash off as little of the post workout vaseline as possible because it contains things which will make the area healthier (Vitamin C will help with maintenance, extra moisture will aid any skin growth that may need to occur.) Also im aiming to keep the area warm after my routine to speed up recovery.

I’ve really simplified my PE because I really believe less is more will work for me. I’m going to give it 2-3 months like this and hopefully will have some gains to report.

I really now think PE is an exact science for each individual. The tissue that PE aims to develop is very sensitive and its rare that any hardcore exercises will bear any fruit. From now on my approach is to be gentle in my workouts.

[7up]

Done a couple more workouts since my last post, going well. Really feel like im gaining!

[7up]

Things are going really well! Im in top condition and am hopeful for some gains at the end of the month. I’d be happy with even the smallest increases to my last stats.

Still doing the same ultra basic routine as mentioned before. I’ve experimented with leaving the Vaseline or A N other moisturiser on post workout. The results are that sometimes it can cause the skin to get a bit irritated. As im not bothered at how much Vaseline I have to buy, im just gonna clean up properly in the shower afterwards and then apply a little more just to stop the skin from drying out and general keep things healthy.

I don’t intend or expect to be able to PE for the rest of my life, so that’s why I’ve really cut down on the masturbation. It’s the reason why im in good condition, overall you’ll feel bigger and heavier if you give it a few days off. Currently I’ve been going without for a week, going to try and ‘keep it up’ for as long as possible. At least when I decide its been too long, I’ll probs reduce my condition from 90% to bout 70%, rather than say a week ago I was probably at 75% and was reducing myself to about 50% approx.

Also hammering the kegals whenever I can, really want gains this month! I feel like im doing a lot of things right in order to achieve some growth, if in 2-3 months I haven’t seen much I’ll need to get back to the drawing board.

[7up]

Something I’ve been thinking about is Unofficial PE. Obviously nature will mean some people develop slighty larger or smaller penises for whatever reasons. But some people will naturally gain without knowing anything about the world of PE.

Take the way people masturbate. Some peoples grips may resemble some PE techniques, and if by chance they rest after, they could over time get some results. Before I knew anything about PE I would do a kind of hold, just through healthy experimentation. Little did I know, with a little dedication and getting into an organised routine, that basic principal was the start of development.

[7up]

I done a few searches, but I cant find the chart off the old forum for ideal penis size.

It had lots of blocks with different colours and showed the best combinations of length and girl according the women, i think. Any help would be great!

[7up]

All going well, just did an early unoffical measurement, up 0.1 Inches on my all time biggest. Last months measurement was right down, so im expecting a difference of at least 0.4 Inches over this month.

Whats caused this improvement? A combination of things really. Shortly after I posted my last stats check I took a 2 week break from masturbation. That got my overall condition back up to at least 90%. It was tough early on to fight the urge to wank but the results were my penis was feeling bigger and in top condition for workouts. Now the stress of my routine and the occasional masturbate doesnt cause any fatigue and prevent any gains. I definatly recommend a short masturbation break to anyone struggling for gains.

Still very strict on the 20 minute max workout length. Im very happy with my technique at the moment. Im really in control of the level of erection and the speed, getting some good quality without many red spots.

Also the kegals and a good 30 mins exercise at least every two days have helped get stronger erections.

[7up]

Just been through what I've sed so far since I registered back in March. Its taken me at least two months to settle down and decide on my PE rules.

I dont plan to play about with things now, adjusting this and that every workout. Here's how its gonna be....

Never any more than 20 mins when I wet jelq
Only masturbate when in good condition
Never jelq fast and never when 'hard'
Do a good amount of general exercise every two days
Eat Smart
Lots of Water
Remember to Kegal

[7up]

Some good links I've found through browsing...

Great Testosterone Info - Major PE Factor....

http://www.cheekycherry.com/ccforums/showthread.php?t=40

Motivation - If I can continue length gains and work out a way of getting more girth, one day I may acheive 'pornstar' status! Checkout this excellent thread from the old CC....

http://www.cheekycherry.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6996&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=porn

[Clockers]

Good luck 7up! :mrgreen

[7up]

Ok, I mentioned before how I measured early and had increased my stats. Rather than achieve another full erection for the sake of measuring, I’m going to use that as this month’s value. So my EL is now at 18.5cm, which is about 7.3 inches (standing measurement straight out, as opposed to sitting where I’m more like 7.5 inches +).

As for girth, I didn’t measure that this month, so I’m going to carry forward last months which was 12.8cm/5 Inches approx. I’m not too bothered about that, I may well have gained there too as I’m feeling ‘bigger,’ but these values were never going to affect my game plan anyway, I’m sticking with what I’m doing for a few months. Eventually I will concentrate on girth, as I think it is important, and I’ll go for 8 EL x 6 EG as my overall PE’ing goal. But by all accounts girth is quite difficult to achieve, so I’m doing the easier bit first.

So its going very well. It would be great if I could get to 7.5 inches at my next measurement, why not? Gonna need to hit the 19cm mark on the ruler….

[7up]

Few things I’ve read or have been thinking about….

The average erect length for males in the UK is apparently 6 inches, what is it in the US and other parts of the world? I’ll admit one of my reasons for PE’ing is that I’ll be more competitive, I like the idea of one day having a bigger cock than almost everyone male I know.

General dietician advice says that after exercise its good eat a proper meal to replenish energy lost and begin the recovery of whatever parts of your body you’ve been exercising. Makes sense therefore to PE before dinner?

Also I’ve read about how sports players use active recovery to speed up the healing process after exercise. To translate this to PE, heli shakes, easy stretching and a masturbating lightly could be very useful between workouts. I defiantly think that a long, intense session of masturbating is bad for PE. Im happy to sacrifice ‘angry masturbating’ (see Anger Management, Adam Sandler), if its means retaining as much testosterone and general penal fitness. In conclusion, its defiantly not nessersary to leave your cock alone completely rested between workouts, it can be beneficial to keep it ‘active.’

I saw this survey in FHM magazine by women about their opinions on different cock sizes and shapes. They said the best was the ‘Average Joe’ as it was the best all rounder, it was about 6.5 x 5. ‘The Dong’ was described as a novelty and that it wasn’t great for doggystyle, that was about 8 x 6 on this chart. Fair enough. Some other names included ‘The triangle’ and ‘The stubb.’

[MagnumXL]

I agree with u on the light stretching and masterbating thing between PE sessions. I Just watch porn after im done and keep my erection. I dont jack off though! Im trying to follow the 5 hour rule. The reason i watch porn to get a woody is cuz i think the more fresh blood u have down there after u just PE the better. Hope it works the way i want it to! :cool

[7up]

Thats the whole active recovery thing I think, keep the blood circulating and your gonna recover quicker. I think its probs a much better idea than to warm down and leave the area alone for ages. Obviously at some point, when your asleep, your going to need the complete rest stage in order for the tissue growth to take place.

Key word is 'light' - anything too strenuous is going to delay any recovery or destroy any growth. All common sense and balance.

[7up]

I've made a smart choice tonite, I was gonna do another PE session, but am sticking to my 2 day rule. Its so tempting to want to do more than just 20 mins every 48 hours. I feel in good condition now, but I think thats just because I'm over the recovery part of last nites workout. If I do another workout now when in theory im growing, I'll go back to recovery and wont gain much.

In theory, I hope.

[Bobo]

Damn! Finally someone who totally understands my "less is more" -philosophy! You're correct, 7up! Keep up the good work, I'm sure Your PE-career will be a success! :cool

[Valk]

Its so tempting to want to do more than just 20 mins every 48 hours.

That feeling will fade away with time. Trust me. :cool

[BIGOKE]

Good luck on your future gains and congrats for sticking to your routine. And your gains as well. :D

[7up]

Its so tempting to want to do more than just 20 mins every 48 hours.

That feeling will fade away with time. Trust me. :cool

I don't know if it will. PE has become a really enjoyable hobby for me now, I would have no problem doing an hours worth of workout each time if thats wot it was going to take. I have more PE-ing energy than I actually need to get gains if you see what I mean.

But I'm in control, I won't let my enthusiasm cause any over training.

[7up]

Everything is going so well for me! Im definalty gaining, I can tell from just looking and the feel of it.

Even sneakily measured just a minute ago and im up another 0.1cm's, and its only been a week since last measurement. Also im still resting/recovering from yesterdays workout.

All the things I'm doing now seem to be right!

[Bobo]

Sounds good, 7up, keep up the good work!

[7up]

Damn! Finally someone who totally understands my "less is more" -philosophy! You're correct, 7up! Keep up the good work, I'm sure Your PE-career will be a success! :cool

Thanks to you! I always felt that over a long period of time a more subtle approach to PE would be wiser and your theories have really helped me develop an excellent stratergy to achieve some gains.

Soon I'm going to go through all the things I'm doing now PE releated and create a checklist of sorts to make sure I continue with what works. It will be just for me to maintain my own success, but if I feel its worth it i'll post it in here. Maybe someone will see something i'm using thats working and have success themselves with it?

[Bobo]

That sounds good. We all PE a little differently, and what works for one doesn't necessarily work for another. But in theory, if done correctly, we all should be able to gain with similar routines, but in reality there are too many variables. It really is wise to keep track on things, so eventually You will find the perfect routine for You! So, post Your success story and routines here, they will be good for the motivation for others. Good luck for Your PE'ing, Sir! :cool

[7up]

All going very well! Another cheeky un-official measurement I did yesterday was 19cm on the ruler. More gains!

What I'm doing at the moment seems right. I know in the past I've said things like 'workout over the sink' and then ditched it myself a week later. But I have two factors of the many I've mentioned which I think are now very important to success. They maybe obvious to some already.

After each workout now, I do kegals with an erection to maintain bloodflow. I do this for anywhere between 20mins and an 1 hour, depends. I recomend doing this whilst watching porn, because its good. Results of this are that you'll recover quicker and have a longer growth period between workouts. Key is to be light, dont give into temptation and masterbate. Might take a bit of getting used to.

Something I do in the actual workout now is too close my eyes for most of it, really helping me concentrate on each stroke. The important part is the grip and the quality of each hands action. Try it if you don't do it already.

My Kegals are going really well too, im noticing the underside of my penis is getting larger, having developed the muscle.

All sounds a bit too good to be true right? Its all true trust me, im in a really good place right now and am well in control of my PE. I don't plan on exaggerating my gains just to get more interest in this topic.

[7up]

Quick update, im stopping my PE. Its all fine, I've made it work and thats good.

I'm happy with my size and just don't feel like doing it anymore. Maybe one day i'll return.

I hope my ideas and thoughts on PE have helped other people on this forum.

My decision is down to free time, motivation and a new girl.

[Bobo]

Congratulations, Sir! You've reached Your goals, and I'm sure Your life quality is in so many ways better now. Good luck with the new girl! Don't leave CC for good, many can benefit from Your experience. The force is strong in You, young master! :cool

[Clockers]

Glad to hear your happy with your size, good luck with your new g/f aswell. :wink:

[7up]

I'm going to return to PE. Currently single and have plenty of time to get back into it. I am happy with my size and the gains ive achieved in the past, so i guess my motives for starting up again are curiosity and greed.

I'll start a new topic/thread for this new phase, i'm going to call it '7up: Phase 2.'