The Many Adventures of drkegels

[drkegels]

Some of you may remember me from the old forum.

Well... not much has changed since. I've been following my routine almost religiously without any significant gains.

June 22, 2004:

5.25" EL, 4" EG

March 25, 2005:

5.25" EL, 4.25" EG (growth barely outside the margin of error)

Routine:

Warm-up (5-6 minutes)
150-200 Wet Jelqs interspersed with heli-shakes
3-5 minute stretches in 4 directions
Warm-down

I'm beginning to think this is all a sham, but then I wonder why so many people would post here regarding their gains and the like.

Edit: Oh, and I also sometimes do about 30 dry jelqs and a few holds after the wet jelqs.


Nov. 8, 2005 Update: I found a way to boost my free testosterone levels, and it seems to be working quite well. I don't know if this will turn a hard gainer like me into a fast one, but I'm willing to give it my all to find out. I've already been taking L-arginine for over a year, with no noted results from that (guess I wasn't lacking in it).

However, I noticed a similar 'strategy' worked with bodybuilding, where I was failing miserably to see any gains for the first 6 months, but after I regularly supplemented with creatine and protein, I noticed significant improvement.


My get-back-into-the-groove workout will be the following:

Warm-up (5-6 minutes)
10-15 7-second upward stretches (changed to 3 sets of forward/down/up stretches, 10 seconds each)
200 Wet Jelqs interspersed with heli-shakes
(jelqs broken up as described by wern; thanks again, wern)
40 Dry Jelqs
10 5-second upward and forward stretches
Warm-down

My short-term goal is to get to 5.8" BPEL as quickly as possible.

My long-term goals are the following (trying to re-frame my attitude towards PE as well):

7" BPEL by the end of 2007
(in reality, anything above 6.5 would be awesome)
Any proportional girth (5 or more here would suffice)

Jan. 14, 2006 Update:
BPEL: 5.625" (after edging to a 8/10)
Currently off due to minor injury. Goal for May, 2006: 5.9"-6.0".

[drkegels]

I just checked back in my old logs, and I've gotten significantly SMALLER since last August.

Something is definitely wrong (either I measured differently, or something else was going on then).

[Clockers]

Up your routine alittle and try the every other day routine or change up all together!! :cool

[Shane_Bos]

Most likely dodgy measuring. If you've been religously PE'ing, i doubt you will shrink.

[Hopper]

Maybe you started off in a plateu? From what I have read if a routine isn't working for you change it up. But I have only been at it for a week so I wouldn't really take too much of what I say seriously. :mrgreen

[Shane_Bos]

Hopper may have been here a short time but hes done his research and makes a good point. You seem to be an experienced PE'er so i feel your workout is lacking a bit. The stretches are ok but maybe you want to cut the time on them and add some more jelqs as alot feel it is essential to build your routine, mabe add 50 a month until you reach a comfortable ammount where your gaining. Also, you could add some advanced exercises or maybe even actually do the holds or dry jelqs as part of your routine and not just do them if you can be arsed. You have to be consistent, how often do you do your routine? You need time to let your dick rest so maybe experiment with that. You could PE every other day or maybe 2 on 1 off, different things work for different people.

This aint a sham, people are making their cocks grow here. Do some research around the begginers forum and general PE chat and experiment until you find a routine that works for you.

[BigBadBear]

As the other guys have said, don't be too quick to give up hope drkegels, there are a great many different programs knocking around and there are plenty of other things you can try before you give up on PE.

Keep the faith, have patience, switch your routine until you find something that works for you and hopefully gains will come. :)

[wern]

Start wearing boxers

[Bobo]

Don't give up, drkegels, If You still haven't seen any gains. Re-think Your routine, technique and schedule. I can assure You PE'ing really does work, and if one can gain, anybody can. Just keep on trying and You will be positively surprised! Good luck, Sir.

[soserious]

i havent gained either.
however please let us know how many days a week you did this for throughout?

[G-Spot19]

I just noticed a flaw in your routine. STRETCH FIRST! If you do the jelqs first, then
1. you have to get all that lube of to stretch properly and its hard to get it all
2. i think stretching after a jelq undoes what you just did with a jelq. Think about it. You are jelqing to expand, then you just stretch it right back out. They off set if you stretch afterwards.
Also be sure to kegel. Hopefully this can help you.

[LittleMonkey]

remember patience! Some people gain in 2 weeks, some in 4 weeks, some in 6 weeks, some in 3 months, some in 6 months. Everyone is different

[soserious]

if you pe too many days a week you will lose size.
i believe T-pro tried many routines and if i remember right he managed to gain on 2x a week and even just 1x a week.
its like 2 steps forward and 1 step back maybe.

[G-Spot19]

We really need TP back on here. I think your right about the 2X a week thing.
I do a M,W,F, T,TH,SAT routine. I did sunday at one point, but I recently dropped it to give my dick a bit more time to heal.

[soserious]

i think theres many factors in it, my tissue isnt very stretchy in general. perhaps DRKegels is the same.

[G-Spot19]

Try a good long warmup.
Loosens the tissue more

[LittleMonkey]

I didnt know that if you PEd too much your dick loses size? Wow learn something new everyday

[soserious]

yeah, i know guys thatve lost over an inch from doing hundreds of wj a day everyday. how permanent it is i dont know but months later they arent back to size. i think it toughens the tissue up- maybe like you can stretch a steak ok before its cooked- but after it just tears.
ive seen sites that say do 500 everyday. that may work for some but for most thats insane.
i guess if someone did 12 jelqs everyday it might be different. we need more study.
so drkegels, how many days a week did you pe?

[LittleMonkey]

ya thats messed up. Rest is key

[Valk]

Drkegels, tell us EVERYTHING about your year of PE

How many days a week?
How long did each session last?
How many times did you changed your routine?
How is your lifestyle?

[G-Spot19]

I think we can help if you give us the info Valk and ss asked.

[drkegels]

i havent gained either.
however please let us know how many days a week you did this for throughout?

I did the Monday, Wednesday, Friday thing for most of the year. I still do this religiously, despite the fact that I am now definitely smaller than I was a year ago.

At first I thought it was poor measuring, but now the changes are significantly outside the margin of error. Of course, the causes are probably not PE. If anything, I'd say diet and/or choice of supplements.

[drkegels]

I just noticed a flaw in your routine. STRETCH FIRST! If you do the jelqs first, then
1. you have to get all that lube of to stretch properly and its hard to get it all
2. i think stretching after a jelq undoes what you just did with a jelq. Think about it. You are jelqing to expand, then you just stretch it right back out. They off set if you stretch afterwards.
Also be sure to kegel. Hopefully this can help you.

You were doing synthetic jelqs for a while, am I correct? Didn't these include stretching and holding for 10 seconds every 10 jelqs?

Unrelated to PE, I do over 1000 kegels every day. I do this to remain multi-orgasmic during masturbation, and it is one thing that has definitely worked.

P.S. I initially used to stretch first (for the first few months). I read advice suggesting otherwise on a few threads in the old forums and changed it. I currently stretch both before and after.

[drkegels]

yeah, i know guys thatve lost over an inch from doing hundreds of wj a day everyday. how permanent it is i dont know but months later they arent back to size.

Have any of these people posted here (either on the old or new forums)? How many hundreds were they doing? Is there any way you can get back in touch with them and find out whether they've recovered?

[Valk]

Did you change your routine at all or did you do the same routine all the time?

[drkegels]

I regularly changed my routine. Moving stretches around, adding dry jelqs and for a while I tried synthetics routine.

I initially increased the number and intensity of jelqs (as suggested on the old forum).

After clearly noticing a reduction in length, I've been steadily reducing the number and intensity of jelqs, and I do no more than 80/day now.

[wern]

It may be the warmup that is a culprit. I personally believe better results come from having a warm dick throughout the session. I suggets you look into incorporating an infrared lamp into your routine.

[icecam]

It may be the warmup that is a culprit. I personally believe better results come from having a warm dick throughout the session. I suggets you look into incorporating an infrared lamp into your routine.

what are the pros and cons of them babies wern? :P

[wern]

pros and cons of IR lamps?


Well I don't really know what the cons are, besides the cost, but we are talking about $20 US.
Also you could get burned from the heat, but you can also get burned from all other warmup methods if you don't listen to your dick.

Pros: in short, IR lamps allow your penis to stay hot throughout the session and heat internela tissues better than any other method of warmup or heating.

there's a whole thread about it.
Go here (http://www.cheekycherry.com/ccforums/showthread.php?t=1005)and here (http://www.cheekycherry.com/ccforums/showthread.php?t=1033)

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[drkegels]

How small are the IR lamps you use for PE? I currently can only practice PE whilst in the shower.

[Anthrax]

A warm shower is an excellent way to keep warm during a session (assuming that you do not care about your water bill or the environment)...

[wern]

Yeh you'd be doing fine if you are in the shower with 110 F temp. Also, try the KL Stretch

[drkegels]

I've gradually been increasing the workout. Now it's up to 110 wet jelqs and 40 dry ones.

Can anyone let me know if they think this is way too little to be making a difference and if my goals are too high (trying to get to 7" by the end of 2007)?

[wern]

Yes it is way too low! Why only 110?

Try this
200-
1 - 25: fast and light, low erection %, 1/2 second per jelq
26-50: fast and light, low erection %, 1 second per jelq
51-75: moderate speed + grip, med erection: 50-70% erect, 2 seconds p/jelq
75-100: moderate speed + grip, med erection: 60-80% erect, 2 seconds p/jelq
.
Then do more intense jelqs and maybe throw in some holds.

[BIGOKE]

Way too little effort there my boy. Especially after the length of time you been in the game. Bulk your routine up a bit.

[drkegels]

Updated my workout, adding more jelqs.

I also noticed that stretching regularly (outside workouts) can reverse the 'retraction' effect I was experiencing earlier. It also may help with gains, but it's too early to tell.

[drkegels]

I may have been wrong about those regular stretches. During my last session (today), I noticed a purplish-dark patch on my foreskin. It looked like a circular discoloration of the skin and not a vein, but it also swells up a bit (like a bump). Area-wise, it's about half the size of a U.S. penny.

This may be due to the annoying fact that I have to pull my foreskin back when doing jelqs, stretches, or pretty much any PE exercise. At first, I assumed it was an abrasion resulting from this. I am now not sure. Again, this isn't a purple vein, and I doubt it is a thrombosed vein (as they were described in an earlier post).

My question is, has anyone suffered from any of these before? If so, should I take a break from some exercises until it heals, and what exercises can I continue in the meantime?

Another issue is that I always have a lot of trouble keeping my foreskin back during jelqs. When doing stretches, I can keep the foreskin back, but I cant get a good grip anywhere on my shaft (even when dry, because then just the skin moves), so I grab immediately before the head. This puts a lot of pressure on either my rolled back foreskin or my frenulum (depending on how far back I pull the foreskin). As a result, I've noticed my foreskin begin to toughen up and develop a different texture from the skin over my shaft.

[The Big Banana]

Does it sound anything like this?

http://www.cheekycherry.com/ccforums/showthread.php?t=1271
http://www.cheekycherry.com/ccforums/showthread.php?t=1143

[drkegels]

I saw these already and had researched thrombosed vein. No, this dark patch is not even touching a vein, it's purely on the skin. I concluded it's a burn.

Just to be safe, I took F (from the M-W-F routine) and the weekend off. I'll probably start again on Tuesday (doing T-TH-SA next week). All I'm doing on these off days is regular Kegels (about 500/day).

I measured today, and was initially quite disappointed to find that I was still 5.5" BPEL. However, after edging to about an 8/10, I measured about 5.625" (I don't think I did this for prior measurements, so it's possibly unfair). I won't declare victory until this same process yields a higher measurement.

[drkegels]

So I started doing a mini-workout (warmup, couple stretches, 40 wjs) on my off days, and upped wjs to 300-350 on other days. Today was an off day, but after doing my wjs, I followed my regular routine of manual stretching at random moments of the day (BAD IDEA to do these when not warmed up).

Just an hour ago, right after a couple of pretty intense downward stretches (I dont know how much to stretch it, since I dont 'feel' an inner stretch no matter how hard I pull), I noticed blood coming out of the head. It was origining from underneath, so I initially thought I had severed/ripped my frenulum (I'm also uncut, so it could have come from anywhere on my foreskin). I noticed before that I had some scar-like tissue developing on the ridge of my head, but this isnt where the blood was coming from. It appeared the blood was leaking from somewhere underneath the skin below the frenulum (I'm not sure if that's worse than a severed frenulum or not). It stopped after a while, but I can't get over the painful sight. I thought I had castrated myself there. I'm both relieved and shocked.

Anyway, it's hard to resist stretching hard after workouts, since I notice such severe shrinkage for about 6-8 hours after doing jelqs. But I think I've learned my lesson. I decided to take a week off for this, but I might change my mind. As for now, it seems I'll spend my seven off-days reading more about lig stretches and the mechanics behind them, so I dont have to pull down with all my weight every time I stretch.

I guess this is a log and not just a place for bad news, so I'll try adding to this more often.

[Caveman]

Yeah blood is very bad!
Taking some time off is a good idea and I too don't often "feel" a stretch but you just have to go with it.

[wern]

I suggest you see a urologist if blood is coming out of your penis because it is possible you have torn your urethra in which case you need special medical devices to diagnose and treat the injury. Not seeking proper attention for a damaged urethra can cause permanent damage. By the way, damaged urethras occur from many reasons, so look it up and then just use one of those excuses :wink:

But you need to see a professional immediately :neut:

[drkegels]

Why thank you, wern! :D

Honestly, It stopped bleeding within hours, and it isnt really as painful any more unless I pull my foreskin back quickly. I believe I damaged my frenulum or some region of the glans under it. Blood never came out of the meatus (the opening on the glans, the end of the urethra), so I doubt it's because of a ripped urethra.

I really appreciate your concern though, and I'll try to see a doctor about it as soon as possible.

[wern]

No worries mate. I just wrote a new thread about showing your wang to doctors. It's in the general PE section if you're interested.

[drkegels]

I've been PE'ing on and off without much consistency for all this time now. Still no gains to note. After about 3-4 weeks of a solid routine, I just realized I noticed some bad EQ (erection quality) and other negative PI's. Even though my BPFSL seems like it's gone up (6.25-6.5"), my BPEL has actually reduced.

So.. I'm calling in a 6 week break (no PE until April Fool's day) and seeing if things improve. After that, I'm gonna follow a very light routine and post here each time I finish a session to keep my motivation. Absolutely no measuring except once every 20-30 workouts, and we'll see what becomes of it.

[Redwood]

After a long time eh,... looks like you just remembered that CC even existed...

[wern]

Even though my BPFSL seems like it's gone up (6.25-6.5"), my BPEL has actually reduced.

What is your erect bone-pressed length?

[Rum_Runner]

Good luck with the break, I hope it is all you truly need to get things worked out.