i am the grass i am the rock.

[soserious]

:x

read this: (http://www.cheekycherry.com/ccforums/showthread.php?p=21678#post21678)

starting size: dunno, like 7-7.2

aim. 3 months dedicated pe to see if it will improve the size. larger.

2x a week (to allow for recovery)

warmup
3 min stretches 1 min down, 1 min either side (i cant stretch up well)
wetjelq 3 seconds.
3 holds
warmdown

ss

[G-Spot19]

Wow. I didnt notice you were already a good size.

[soserious]

im off to do my first pe workout in ages.

[G-Spot19]

Goodluck SS

[Valk]

Have fun!

[soserious]

thanks guys.
i got 55 ish crappy ish wet jelqs. (when im about 3/5ths the way down the shaft something just doesnt feel right. its like a jelq for the first 3/5ths of it then the last part doesnt really get jelqed usually.)
i want to come back to that soon to deal with it. its like i run out of blood to jelq or theres too much and it wont budge.

stretches were not very good. felt skin pulling more than anything.

and holds were not as good as they could be.

my grip felt a little weak.

next is friday. tuesday and friday. (i think). though i may move it to monday/ thursday am.

i intend to work up to 100 wjs. and 3 seconds each takes concerntration-its easy to end up doing them too quickly.

oh. i dont intend to measure for 3 months. although i doubt anything good will have happened.

ss

[Shane_Bos]

Keep working at it SS, if anyone deserves to gain something out of PE, its you!

[Anthrax]

i got 55 ish crappy ish wet jelqs . . . stretches were not very good . . . holds were not as good as they could be . . . i doubt anything good will have happened.

I really don't like your negativity toward PEing... You should forget the fact that you were unsuccessful before and start afresh... It seems to me that you are trying to prove to yourself that PE does NOT work...

[MagnumXL]

I really don't like your negativity toward PEing... You should forget the fact that you were unsuccessful before and start afresh... It seems to me that you are trying to prove to yourself that PE does NOT work...

Yeah what have you got to lose SS? You can give up 20 minutes of your life for 3 months to try something again. The reason you havent gained is probably more mental than anything. I totally believe the mind controls the body and it has been proven in quantum physics numerous times.

EDIT: I know the mind literally controls the body guys but think OUTSIDE the box on this one.

[soserious]

Yeah what have you got to lose SS?

..my dick? :?
its not hard to injure you know.
and what about my attitude- youd be pissed too if you hadnt gained. im not the only one who hasnt gained from it, theres many. and no- i absolutley intend to do my best.
that way i can get MORE pissed at anyone doubting my efforts and commitment if/when i dont gain anything.

[hugh g rection]

..my dick? :?
its not hard to injure you know.
and what about my attitude- youd be pissed too if you hadnt gained. im not the only one who hasnt gained from it, theres many. and no- i absolutley intend to do my best.
that way i can get MORE pissed at anyone doubting my efforts and commitment if/when i dont gain anything.


SS, if you are going to be negative about this stuff you are shooting yourself in the foot. The mind is much more powerful than most people really understand. If you set yourself up to fail, you are going to fail. I know you are saying you are going to do your best, but if you have a bad attitude you aren't going to do your best.

[G-Spot19]

SS. Didnt you get the weird bend in your dick. I remember something about it in the old forums waaaaaayyy back, but i dont recall if it was you or not.

[soserious]

:x yes. its nowhere near as bad now and usually just lookslike part of the banana curve. but for some reason it comes back once in a while- its weird.

yes, yes i know you are right Hugh, ok, i cant promise a positive attitude today, maybe later (especially since it definitly appears SHORTER this morning :x ) ((hmm, i must be scientific about this and work it out)) but i will try a neutral ttitude fora while, better? :?

ss

thankyou Valk, let me see.. (http://www.cheekycherry.com/ccforums/showthread.php?t=486)

[soserious]

:x i thought yesterday was TUESDAY! :x although i knew earlier in the day that it was wednesday.. :? i keep making stupid little mistakes like that.
:neut: being bald must fuck with my brain.. god damn you whatever makes peoples heads bald!!! :evil:

[soserious]

stretching seems to be enflaming my nuts. not good.

[MagnumXL]

SS you know that your brain makes emotional chemicals that it sends throughout your bloodstream. Right now it seems you have an overload of negetive,shy and depressed chemicals that your cells strive to get more of. It becomes and addiction much like herion or nicotine but 1000x worse because you dont need to go out to a drugdealer to find your fix. Im not being an ass but have you considered therapy for your feelings? Screw PE for now! Try to see what you are really angry/depressed about and try to slowly fix it. Thinking positive only masks your true feelings so better yet go talk to somone like a therapist who will truly listen and give you advice. Built of emotions like these can and will kill you at an early age and I dont wanna see you feeling like crap all the time cuz then I feel like crap.

[G-Spot19]

I agree with Magnum. You have far bigger concerns right now.

[soserious]

i did the pe today. not very good around 50 wj and i forgot stretches.
i will hopefully do better on friday.

peace.

[wern]

SS, I think your strecthes are too extreme.

What lube are you using for the jelqs?

Are you kegelling?

Kegelling won't fuck up your dick so you should kegel at least 3 times a week.

[Bobo]

Good luck for Your new attempt, SS! Now it must be Your turn to gain!

[soserious]

SS, I think your strecthes are too extreme.

What lube are you using for the jelqs?

Are you kegelling?

Kegelling won't fuck up your dick so you should kegel at least 3 times a week.

my stretches are not extreme. i had surgery on my nuts when i was 20 and have had problems from that since. stretching aggrevates it.
my stretches arent even strong.

vaseline.

yes. but just a couple here and there.

[The Big Banana]

my stretches are not extreme. i had surgery on my nuts when i was 20 and have had problems from that since. stretching aggrevates it.
my stretches arent even strong.


If this isnt too personal, what was the surgery for... do you think that this could be affecting your ability to gain?

[wern]

DO more kegels. Get a kegel regiment going. It seems that your problem is that not enough blood enters the penis, therefore you have the weird jelqs (this is what I presume, from your posts). Develope those PC and BC muscles and you will, at the very least, have harder erections.

[soserious]

i had "bi-lateral testicular fixation".

the ligaments holding my nuts were weak and one day out of the blue wheni was 20 they just started twisting around and i often had to turn it back around the way I THINK it turned to untwist it (imagine a cord turning around on itself- it could get very tangled) mine didnt go further than 180 degrees. but that was the start. i was scared to have the operation, and was very adament at the clinic of what they could and could not do (these things MUST be very clear -even though they usually just assume.. that can be terrible) but having heard what happened to one of my boys who had the same thing THAT scared me more than the op.

they take the inner layer of your nut sack (theres several layers) and the outer layer of your testes and put 3 stitches in each one in different places. the idea being that the stitches fuse together and this stops your nuts from being able to twist.

for me one ofthe stitches on the left caused me trouble from the start. several years later and it still causes me pain sometimes. it didnt go exactly as it shouldhave. pain isnt supposed to last more than a few months.

im very sensetive to being different or damaged, and it stresses me a lot. at first my nuts wouldnt hang right- one was facing the other like a "T" i was very very distressed and angry.

the doctor overseing it and himself one of the surgeons told me that my body WANTED to hang right and that given time it would improve- it did.

so, when i stretch it pulls on the stitches (especially the biggest on the left) or where the stitches have fused anywy and that enflames it and causes pain. its like a searing harsh pain like a frying pan held against your nut for 24/7. its horrible. im anxious NOT to aggrevate it to any great degree since it can last for many months 24/7 and can really destroy me.

infact i have had enflamed nuts a lot since then. even now they hurt and burn. ive had epididymitis too. actually it feels like ive got it again now. fucking hell.

[Baseballer8]

Sounds like you need a lawyer there SS they fucked up :x Look for one of the lawyers that offer a you pay only if you win deal. I think even in Britain they would award you in that case, or you can wait till you get into the army and have them fix it for free.

BTW good luck with PE but try to keep a positive attitude on it all you can gain you just need to relax and let it happen, follow a beginners routine for a while till you are able to go full swing and most of all DO YOU FUCKING KEGALS they will help you more than anything

[The Big Banana]

i had "bi-lateral testicular fixation".

the ligaments holding my nuts were weak and one day out of the blue wheni was 20 they just started twisting around and i often had to turn it back around the way I THINK it turned to untwist it (imagine a cord turning around on itself- it could get very tangled) mine didnt go further than 180 degrees. but that was the start. i was scared to have the operation, and was very adament at the clinic of what they could and could not do (these things MUST be very clear -even though they usually just assume.. that can be terrible) but having heard what happened to one of my boys who had the same thing THAT scared me more than the op.

they take the inner layer of your nut sack (theres several layers) and the outer layer of your testes and put 3 stitches in each one in different places. the idea being that the stitches fuse together and this stops your nuts from being able to twist.

for me one ofthe stitches on the left caused me trouble from the start. several years later and it still causes me pain sometimes. it didnt go exactly as it shouldhave. pain isnt supposed to last more than a few months.

im very sensetive to being different or damaged, and it stresses me a lot. at first my nuts wouldnt hang right- one was facing the other like a "T" i was very very distressed and angry.

the doctor overseing it and himself one of the surgeons told me that my body WANTED to hang right and that given time it would improve- it did.

so, when i stretch it pulls on the stitches (especially the biggest on the left) or where the stitches have fused anywy and that enflames it and causes pain. its like a searing harsh pain like a frying pan held against your nut for 24/7. its horrible. im anxious NOT to aggrevate it to any great degree since it can last for many months 24/7 and can really destroy me.

infact i have had enflamed nuts a lot since then. even now they hurt and burn. ive had epididymitis too. actually it feels like ive got it again now. fucking hell.


You didnt deserve that shit dude, noone deserves that kind of thing

Perhaps you should get that fixed (although i would probably be worried about the next doctor doing even worse) before you get back in the saddle with PE

do you only feel the pain only during stretches or is there still moderate pain during jelqs and/ or heli shakes etc?

[soserious]

Sounds like you need a lawyer there SS they fucked up :x Look for one of the lawyers that offer a you pay only if you win deal. I think even in Britain they would award you in that case, or you can wait till you get into the army and have them fix it for free.

BTW good luck with PE but try to keep a positive attitude on it all you can gain you just need to relax and let it happen, follow a beginners routine for a while till you are able to go full swing and most of all DO YOU FUCKING KEGALS they will help you more than anything


jesus no! no-ones touching it, if anyone messed around with it itd fucking hurt big time. no, im not interested in money either. at the end of the day its my nuts and it cant be "fixed" all i can do is hope for the best. i did consider re-operation but that feaksme too much. i mean it hurts 24/7 but lowkey- its when the pain jacks up that my life turns to shit.

lol, thanks. i intend to do a simple basic routine 2x a week 50-100wjs. ect.

BIGBANANA, no i didnt do nuthin to deserve that but then life does lots to people who dont deserve it. no it always hurts. but stretches can set it off hurting for minutes or months. thats what scares me. i often dont ejac for ages aswell, so that makes it worse. if my boxers are too tight or my nuts get restricted they hurt aswell.
jelqs hurt it sometimes too with the pulling and when i start off the jelq at the base because i am brushing against it everytime.

it actually makes me angry and upset to think about it all, even though it does hurt i prefer to try to blank it out and imagine it never happened.

it was not a 100% successful operation. but i would do it again if time was turned back because i didnt want to take the risk of losing one of my nuts which can happen with loose ligaments *dont pull/stretch your nuts- that can weken the ligaments. mine were just weak naturally*
although had i known how much and how long it would hurt for i wouldve been even more stressed.

what can i say?

ss

[soserious]

well this week ive done only a few wjs (like 10 ..) and a few holds.

i guess i am put off by the fact that my skin always seems to puff up and stay puffed up (since i started my skin has gotten thicker) and the veins feel harder. this isnt what im trying to achieve.
any thoughts?

maybe i need a different grip, a "U" instead of an "O" maybe?

[zwmusic]

This "U" grip won't do anything I think, I've been thinking alot about jelq technique lately and I came up with few conclusions which in my case are working. I don't do palm down any more, only palm up. Palm down is actually awkward because you have to twist your forearm which makes it very easy to give more stress on one side of the shaft and less on the other, in other words, if you're right handed you'll almost inevitably tend to push your forearm to the right and vice-versa for left handed people. It's much easier to keep the jelq absolutely straight when you do it palm up because, appart from being easier to focuss the strenght of the push since you're not twisting your forearm, it feels more comfortable for the OK grip.

Other thing I've been considering is the OK grip itself. I find that when you use only the index finger and the thumb, you have less strength because you're using only two fingers. It will therefore produce a tendency to tighten the grip as your hand gets tired. This could imply in uneven preassure throughout the jelq stroke and unnecessary use of strength due to the weakness of only two fingers. I've been experimenting using also the middle finger to aid the index finger for the OK grip and it feels much easier to perform the jelq without tiring your hands so quickly. You get tired even if don't really notice it, your muscle reaction is to tighten to keep the sensation of the grip. The only problem with palm down is when you want to grip the very base and your sac gets caught on the way of your hand, but this can be easily sorted if you open your legs further apart.

Try it ss and tell me how it works for you, specially the aid of the middle finger. It basically works with your thumb nail right in between the two figer tips.

[G-Spot19]

Genious ideas zw. I am 100% on your side with palm up instead of down, and i think its more effective. I will have to try that grip out. Sounds like a great idea.

[zwmusic]

Thanks G. The technique of string instruments forces you to think really carefully about the position of your arms, hands and fingers related to the dosage of strength you use. Who would've thought my instrument technique could help me to enlarge my penis... :lol:

[zwmusic]

Another way of jelqing which seems to be working well for me is a kind of an overhand one. It isn't either palm down or palm up. The palm of my hand slides on the side(ish) of my shaft... sort of half way from side to top. The OK grip closes on the other side. I would need to show it really. I'll see if I can demonstrate that with pics of my hands, it will give a clearer idea. I just don't think I can do that with my dick in the pic cause I can only scan and upload them in an internet cafe, they wouldn't do it if there's a dick in the pic.

[soserious]

im sure we could use our imagination- or you could use a banana (or in your case probably a courgette :lol: j/k sir )
hmm, ive slacked this week- im thinking of doing a m-w-f of just 50 wet jelqs with lots of warming up an try some of the grips your explaining.
but i am very uncomfortable about the skin being permanently puffed up and the veins hardening (especially when i get no freakin pay off in size..)

[wern]

At 7.2 you've already got a big dick. Maybe you should focus on kegelling.

[soserious]

no way man. besides it curves heavy up and i got to bone press it to get anything much. if i just rest the ruler on there without bone pressed and without straightening the banana curve its like 6 or something. it looks real short. besides, i want a 9x7.

i first thought id gained when i startd but it was actually a bit bigger than that like 7.3 or 4 when i was 15 or 16. so its like wtf happened?
i do know though that my curve is a lot heavier then it was then- i think thats why. besides it varies, if i took a ruler to it now itd prolly be just 7 or something.

[wern]

Fair enough, but you can still kegel as well as do your routine. A hard-as-a-pipe dick is a big confidence booster and you know what's rarer than a guy with a 8inch dick? A guy that can have multiple orgasms. But even rarer is a guy with 8inches AND multiple orgasmic

[soserious]

8 inchs is damn elusive for me, but multiple "O"s are easy. damn i could have 2 by the time i finish writing this stupid sentence.
omg.
yeah well...

[Anthrax]

I hope I don't ever reach a point where I say "yeah well..." in reference to an orgasm...

[soserious]

Alpha to Romeo, do you copy, over?

im going to try this:

m,w,f
warmup
some stretches downward and maybe side to side
150 wj.
maybe a hold or few maybe not.
warmdown.

to try and reduce the unwanted boners during pe i wil not do anything that will encourage it (i.e quick j/o or nuthin).
hopefully i will train my nervous system that pe is ALL work and no play! :x

anyone please tell me to do pe every scheduled day if i look like im slipping. i must be consistent i think.

Alpha, over & out.

[Valk]

Nomatter what you may think, you have a large dick ss.
Why dont you just accept the fact that you got good genes on your size department. You may have bad genes on the shape department but just admit that your dick is larger then average.
I can understand you are depressed because of your height, your baldness etc, but you have no reason to complain about the size of your dick or your muscles. Sure there are people that are bigger then you, but there are ALOT more, and I repeat ALOT more people that are smaller then you.

[wern]

Well said

[soserious]

i politely disagree.

ok, did some brief stretches (next time i need to do them better. and 150 wjs. mostly not that good. but i didnt do anything to encourage unwanted 100% erections although i had quite a few.) was ok.

next is wednesday.

[Valk]

So in your opinion I have a small dick? Because if you think 7.2" is small then 6.5" is just tiny, pathetic and shameful.

[soserious]

nono no, its only 7.2 if i flatten the banana curve out and bone press- if i were to just rest it on the curve and not bp itd be like 6.
besides thats not what i mean and you know it bro.
You know me somewhat by now, (ok you MADE me say this) ONE SET OF RULES FOR ME AND ONE SET OF RULES FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
its only recently that ive actually managed here and there to see myself as an equal or almost equal (largely due to my "bad" attitude) for the longest time ive totally BELIEVED that everyone else was somehow more worthy than me, that everyone had something that i didnt- even nasty sick people.
i cant really describe it, but i felt like a 3rd class person through to my core.
some of my friends are 5", and i feel threatened by them.

ok, now ive partly explained where im coming from..

[Valk]

My 6.5" measurement is also bone-pressed. Did I say bone-pressed, will I meant to say bone-JAMMED.
I hurts me when I see that you dont appreciate the good things you have going on. But instead of appreciating them, you downplay them to non-important.
For example you ability to have multiple orgasms anywhere, anytime.
But instead of appreciating that, your mind twists it so that it loses its value for you.

Try to see your good sites ss. You have got plenty of them.

[soserious]

Thankyou Valk, as i said only sometimes do i feel like im close to an equal of (some) people due to my bad attitude (i.e if someone i really hate then my estimation of them comes down nearer to my estimation of myself). a bit stupid but thats me.

you guys here are great, i do appreciate that we all stick up for one another, but some things just are hard or impossible to change with words. against some common sense and logic yeah, i feel like a nothing, like i said a few times my main reason for not eating properly for many months was that i was scared somehow id be wasting the food if "i" ate it. things like that are deep within my nature. im sure it has everything to do with my upbringing and youth.


Anyway, nevermind that.. im sorry if you felt that i was implying anything other than i wasnt happy with "myself".

ss

[Valk]

im sorry if you felt that i was implying anything other than i wasnt happy with "myself".

No, I didnt felt that. I knew you were just talking about yourself.
I just said it because I wanted to discuss the issue with you. (dirty trick I know, sorry) Alot of times you just ignore posts like I made so I used the trick to get you speaking.

Anyway, what kind of things would make you feel more worthy, if only slightly?
To have a goal, to have a skill, to have a job?
What is the smallest thing you can accomplish that will make you feel a little bit better?

[soserious]

to have a big dick lol.
well, truthfully its inside, its been my way of thinking since i was little, its an inbuilt guard to stop me having too much fun or feeling real good. its so ingrained i dont know if there is anything.

not saying its not impossible to improve somehow, but at this stage i cant answer that.

and that was a trick to play!
but its cool.

ss

[soserious]

just did a couple stretches, 150 wjs.

next time i need to do better stretches for 5 mins rather than 2x 10 second ones. wj`s improving but still much room for improvement.
looks short/er so thats a downer.

[The Big Banana]

looks short/er so thats a downer.

Maybe its thicker making it look shorter, try to be positive (I know its hard because you've failed before, but try)

[wern]

just did a couple stretches, 150 wjs.

next time i need to do better stretches for 5 mins rather than 2x 10 second ones. wj`s improving but still much room for improvement.
looks short/er so thats a downer.

Hey that's great! good thing that the w/jelqs are improving. It should only get better in time, as long as you are consistent and don't overdo anything! :cool

[G-Spot19]

Great ss! As long as you do make that improvement. Nice to see you realize something isnt being effective and you are changing. Also good to see that you know you can improve your wj's and i beleive you will.

[soserious]

thanks y`all!
well, i did crappy stretches again today :( i did 1 10 sec one before wjs and 2 after. my hand slips as i stretch so 10 secsx 3 is all i got in the workout.
150wjs- a bit better. less unwanted boners overall but still room for improvement.
some veins felt a little thick/hard which i didnt like but im working on that too.

ok, i do not know if ive ever done m-w-f CONSISTENTLY for longer than 3 months (even if i skipped a couple days thats stil non consecutive). i hope to do pe every m-w-f for the next few months at least to allow a fair go at it).

im wondering about some stretches throughout the day on m-w-f like when i go to the bathroom or whatever.
at the moment my dick feels a little burning where its been worked. the other two days i didnt feel that (sign of overwork? or inconsequential?).

ive also got to try to keep it warm or re-warm after 50 jelqs cos its sometimes drafty in my bathroom.

[soserious]

some head discolouration apparent, like blotchy. :?
its naturally red, or redder, but i only get different shades blotchy like that when i am pe`ing consistently.
is that a sign of bad circulation or something?
any thoughts?
im not particularly happy about it but i dont intend to quit.. i WANT my 2 inchs.

[Valk]

Why do you always talk about that you were Consistent and didnt gain anything, and now you suddenly admit that you've never been consistent more then 3 months straight?

[soserious]

i may well have been consistent for 5 months straight- truth is i really cant remember so im erring on the side of a lower guess.
thats why.

other times i didnt think a few days of here or there would matter so much especially with posts about guys gaining a little on a week or two weeks off. confusing.

but this time around my routine is very clear, and the days too. so i intend to do this.

[Valk]

Its now certain that you're a hardgainer, but its not certain if you're a no-gainer. Try to remain positive.

I do got a few tips for you:

1: Increase the intensity of your workouts over a period of time. So instead of doing 5 min. stretching, 20 min. jelqing and 5 holds for 5 months straight, try to build it up. For now, just try to perfect your technique and then start to increase the amount of jelqs in a session.

2: Incorporate a stretch in every jelq. So at the end of the jelq, dont let your grip go, but stretch your dick for a couple seconds. I dont how hard its for you because you talked about a small head.

[soserious]

yeah ive tryed stretching at the end of wet jelqs but i cant get a stretch- the skin, lube and fact that the shaft is thicker than the head makes it impractical and painful.
yes im a hardgainer, maybe a no-gainer. i hope not.. many have nil or very low gains but most just quit or say not much about it whereas i get mad and talk about it.

[soserious]

got problems.

stretching has fucked up my dick more.
i have new scars now added to the old scars from stretching.

the fragile skin around the glans gets torn and bunched up when i stretch.

get a tissue- put it on a worktop- wet it a little- then pull on the middle part of it. it`ll stretch and tear in some places and bunch up in others.
well thats what mess my dick is in. and it doesnt ever fix itself. it just progressively gets worse.

im not happy.

oh yeah, it hurts too where the new scars are.
jeez.
:evil: :cry: :roll:

[wern]

Those scars are probably stretch marks. Welcome to my world.

[soserious]

no, theyre not stretch marks.
theyre where i ripped and distorted the skin- it only takes a second r two but lasts a lifetime. :evil:

[wern]

well stretch marks last a life time too, but if you say its different then it probably is

[soserious]

no, seriously i know my dick. i have much stretch marks on my body. i even have some on my dick. but from years ago as a teenager not to do with pe. no, i puled and tore and squashed the thin fragile skin just before the head. it looks bad and if i THINK any deeper about it im gonna get very depressed and very angry and upset with myself. since im always knocking on the door of suicidal i dontwant to think too hard about it right now. but trust me its NOT anything to do with stretch marks.

[wern]

I'll take your word for it matey. :mrgreen

[soserious]

ok.


ok, i really want to measure a TRUE increase in size in the next month or two.
one thing though- the most ive ever measured it at is 7.3, if i manage to get to 7.4+ (im 7.2 ) then i will KNOW something is working..
ok, im game.

"THE POWER OF RA"

[soserious]

just did pe.
did 1 or 2 stretches only . need more.
and didnt make the 150wj`s- it felt like sore nd worked before i got there (wondering about doing just 100 wjs) it looks short and small. blah.
i stick the heel of my hand into my pubic bone like a ruler and measure with the longest finger . its the same length as my longest finger, always, sometimes less. i KNOW it isnt bigger just by this basic comparison so when i say "looks" smaller it also is smaller though i have no official measurement until after the 1st month. then maybe i will re-adjust the routine.

i prefer to be pumped but hanging pumped- firm but still pliable. that seems my best erection % to use though its tricky getting and keeping it just there.. more practice.

im incredibly dehydrated the last few days especially today, my lips are cracking bad and my mouth isd like a desert. i really dont understand it. i havent eaten anywhere near enough food though, like 1/3rd of my proper amount the last fewdays so i guess tahts not helping.
hmm. FUCK i WANT those extra 2" length..

ss

*edit, actually let me see when i first started this mwf routine, i want to measure after the 1st month. is this only the start of the 2nd week?*

started sep 12th. so oct 12th will be one month..

[soserious]

unofficial measurement just did.
5.75 girth midsgshaft
5.5 upper
5.25 head girth (hard to measure but that seems right).
1.75x 1.7 head.
and 7.2 elbp.

hmm, no change.
but this isnt the 1st month yet.

if no chnge by 12th oct i may add more stretches and reduce jelqs to 100. but each a good stretch pump one. hmm.
fuck.

[soserious]

yesterday i did pe.
i didnt warm up good and rushed through, getting about 100wjs. ended up making puffy skin. :x

[soserious]

i gotta pe in a little while. though its tricky today.

[Anthrax]

yesterday i did pe.
i didnt warm up good and rushed through, getting about 100wjs. ended up making puffy skin. :x


Try to get a good warmup next time...

[soserious]

yeah- todays warmup and warmdown was rushed too- just did pe.
i had to rush and get dried off and changed cos i was needed elsewhere.
hurts a little but got about 100wjs.
and about 3 10 sec stretches.

[Valk]

Whats the reason for this rush you always seem to have?
If you dont have the time, do it at another moment.

[soserious]

well i was rushing cos the kid was crying in the other room. accident- just cleaned him up and put him back to bed.
plus i been busy and out all day so my only chance to do it this friday(yesterday by now) was late.
monday i will try to do better.

[Valk]

okay, i understand.

Could you give the kid a kiss from uncle Valk? Valk loves the kid too. :D

So what you been doing today?

[soserious]

okay, i understand.

Could you give the kid a kiss from uncle Valk? Valk loves the kid too. :D

So what you been doing today?

haha , sweet.
*gets up, gives kid a kiss from uncle Valk. adjusts cover so kid can breathe better*

ive been at my moms helping her move a bunch of stuff and some other stuff.

[Valk]

ah...helping out your mum. you're a good soul.

So whats the kid like? Whats his name? What are his traits, what makes him happy?

[soserious]

were a small family, we help each other out.

Shane Lol, hes a sweet kid- except when hes playing up.

[soserious]

some of the veins are harder and painful. theres no size improvement whatsoever, infact it looks less.
theres damage to the shape AGAIN. and looks wrong.
(its easy to damage /alterthe shape in a negative way but impossible it seems to improve it).

id be a fool to carry on doing these exericses. at least in the same way.
i may take a break and pe once or twice a week just to try and fix some of the shaope damage.

it hurts right now where some of the bigger veins are harder and tender.

at this stage i would curse this whole pe shit- but id get jumped on by a bunch of gainers..
whatever. i hate it.

[Valk]

if you hate it...quit doing it. And pe'ing once or twice a week is useless because pe'ing fucked up your shape in the first place. The only way to fix it is to stop it altogether.
I could try to motivate you to continue, to find what works for you, but that would be futile.
I think you have got to accept that PE isnt suitable for you. It only seems to damage your dick. I dont know how vigourisly you threat your dick but its probably even not your fault.

[zwmusic]

I'm affraid I have to agree with Valk. You've been trying to PE for... how long? over a year and a half? and nothing good happens... no gains, no improvement in appearance... nothing. Maybe it's time for you to throw the towel ss. I'm very very sorry to say that, but I think it's for you to quit for your own good.

[Valk]

PE can be both a blessing and a burden. If you gain its great but when it somehow doesnt work for you it can be one of the most depressing things in the world. Men are always a bit consious about their penis size and doing PE will make us even more consious (sometimes even obsessed) about our size.
If you just can accept that PE doesnt work for you, it will make you less obsessed about your size.

[soserious]

Haven`t pe`d obviously. Nut`s hurt and burn anyway, cant stretch since that aggrevates them, so does pe in general I think. So does a lot of thing`s.

Dunno why but today`s measurement`s (I`m not doing pe, but I measured my dick since I was like, 11 or something so I just do it from time to time out of curiousity);

ENBP (leaving the curve unstraightened- so not true NPBE length) 6.1
NBPEL (straightening the curve- roughly) 6.5
BPEL (with curve straightened) 7.3

fucking curve..

Besides pe is messy, how much of a pain is it to jump in the shower just to warm up, rub vaseline onto your hands and dick, jelq and wait for boners every 5 jelqs to subside, jump back in the shower, wash the vaseline off like twice and still end up kinda clammy from it. And then at the end of 2 month`s see there`s no actual gain`s even though others have.
(no-one answer that, it wasn`t a genuine question, rhetorical)

I just thought that 7.3 was interesting since 8/10 I get a 7.2 reading. I`ve done no pc exercises either. I had 7.3 before , just not for many months.

Dunno *shrugs*

[Clockers]

SS, I have a real quick exercise pe routine for now i'am kinda trying something out to see if it will work with out losing a lot of girth if any, so will see. :cool

[soserious]

Well for some reason I did some wetjelqs a couple hours back (I couldn`t sleep) Did about 300, of a low to moderate quality and second or second anda half each.

My dick was still it`s normal 7.2-3 and man, after when I went to the bathroom I noticed it was smaller than usual. :x

Whatever..

[G-Spot19]

Sometimes your dick will look smaller after a routine. Sometimes bigger. It depends. Im not sure on what, but i have noticed it.