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Valk
22nd March 2005, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Uldie42

We all know you do, otherwise you wouldn't have clicked A forenote before I go into the goodies...this is probably the most controversial thing you'll ever hear about bodybuilding...you've probably been doing it all wrong...are you gaining like you should be? Doubt it...therefore you are doing it WRONG. Leave all you know behind, because this is a whole new approach to gaining mass...the fast way. This technique will leave your skin so tight that you'll think your muscles are going to bust out of it. You think I'm shitting you, but I'm not...read on.

You guys know me...I'm not one to "bullshit" you. I'm going to be straight up and tell you the facts. I'm not selling anything here, or advertising a certain product, because THERE IS NO PRODUCT YOU HAVE TO USE!! STOP WASTING YOUR MONEY ON SUPPLEMENT...EVEN PROTEIN POWDERS!! Don't even worry about consuming your overly high protein...because that's not even right. Find a lean weight calculator, put in your weight and body fat % and find out your LEAN WEIGHT. The amount of protein you'll be consuming on your "progressive phase" will be your LEAN WEIGHT x 1.4 That is 1.4 grams of protein per pound of lean body weight. Fat does not take protein to maintain...so eating 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound of body weight isn't doing a bit of good. Is that a shock to you? Aren't you glad you don't have to eat all that protein? Your body EXCRETES most of it!! Don't worry...it's a shock to me as well. In my 20+ years, I've made great gains, but I've never thought about fat not taking up any protein...but now you know. Now that we have this taken care of, let's move on

Let's talk about the training part of the "program" first. It will consist of the first 6 weeks being high protein diets...meaning your 1.4 grams, blah blah you know the drill. Although you're having a high protein diet for 6 weeks, the workouts will consist of 3 week "sets". The first 3 weeks will be a progressive phase. In this time period you increase the weight you are lifting every workout you do that muscle group. Take bench press for example...day one say you bench 100 pounds, the next time you work your chest, you will add 5-10 pounds. Simple enough right? There's a catch though...remember "you must lift big to get big"? That's not true. Low reps/heavy weight=strength. That was one of my biggest flaws...and that's probably what you're doing as well. Forget about showing off and do this...10-15 reps per set...for 4 sets. Go to failure on your last rep. OK, now that that's out of the way...the next 3 weeks will consist of a hyper-adaptive cycle, but REMEMBER, this is STILL a high protein diet workout. But ONLY for the first 6 weeks. In this phase, you are tricking your body. It does not know whether you will keep adding weights or not. So, to prepare for the next "attack" it will keep growing. Does that sound ridiculous or what? Let me continue...during the hyper adaptive cycles, you will reduce the amount of weight drastically. This will give your muscles time to rest, as well as grow, because they're expecting to go through another progressive phase, but instead you've backed off. You're probably thinking, won't they realize that I'm not doing heavy workouts? Yes, but that's where the 3 week period comes into play...by the time they realize, it'll be time to switch back to your progressive phase...HOW SWEET IS THAT!? You'll continue to grow. OK, so, now you're back on a progressive phase with a high protein diet and you're growing...then it's time for a hyper adaptive cycle again...but this time you are not going to eat a high protein diet. You're going to cut your diet to where you only eat 30 grams of protein per day...YES, 30 GRAMS. You'll make up your calories by eating mostly carbs and fats. The protein found in vegetables and nuts will not affect you because they are not as easily digested as protein from meat and dairy products...so that's where your calories will come from...bread, vegetables, legumes. The 30 grams of protein you consume is right after your workout. You can eat dairy and meat, but only 30 grams of protein worth. Now you may be thinking "Oldie, what the fuck is the point of eating only 30 GRAMS!!?!?!" OK, this is called protein deprivation. You deprive your body of the protein it needs to grow so it calls for back up...see the body is an amazing thing...over the many many many years of evolution it has developed a back up. What's this "backup" I speak ok? It's called Testosterone...Growth Hormone...IGF-1. Now, as we all know, these are released even with regular workouts...but you've never experience this type of surge. Your body will transform day by day. We all know Testosterone is the key to building big muscles...but by regular training, you're not releasing a whole lot. That's why bodybuilders turn to steroids...but why go on steroids when you'll lose your gains after you come off of them? Why not use your OWN hormones for attaining steroid-like gains?? It only makes sense! Trick your body into growing. It doesn't have enough protein to build your muscles, so it'll kick your hormone production into high gear and you will grow...and you will not stop. After this 3 week period is up, you go BACK to a progressive phase and a high protein diet. But this time, your body will soak up almost all of the protein because it does not know what it will face! What does this mean? It means you'll grow like a fucking weed! But when it finally realizes what you're doing, it's too damn late, because you're back on a hyper adaptive cycle...low protein diet for this phase. You just alternate between the two phases for say...4-5 months, then take a good week rest, and start all over.

Now that you know the program, there are a few things you need to know. For the speed of the reps...let's take the bench press for example. When you lower the weight, take a 4 count to do so. When bring the weight up, 2 count. It's simple isn't it? And by doing this you work the slow and fast twitch fibers, resulting in what? Yep, you probably guessed it...more stimulation leading to bigger muscles. You need to work all of the fiber types to get fuller muscles, and you've probably noticed bodybuilders just throwing the weight around, popping the weights as fast as they can, using momentum...that's not doing anything for them. The Austrian Oak himself only used 60 pounds to do flyes and look at his chest...of course he was using steroids, but the point is, you don't need heavy weights to get big...you need correct form and a weight you can handle for 10-15 reps. Also...about the pump...you will want a pump. That is a way you'll know you've had a good workout...squeeze the muscles at the top of each rep to ensure blood is really filling up the muscles. Never work out more than an hour!! Testosterone levels start to drop after 45 minutes-an hour, and you do not want that...so no matter what, get the fuck out of the gym. If you still have 2 sets to go, forget it. Put the weights up and go home. On a final note, superset your workouts. For example, your triceps will most likely give out before your chest does, so before you do a bench press, do flyes to knock some power out of your chest, so when you go for the big shit, your chest will tire out, and you will finally experience gains in one of the most hard to train places.

OK, I bet you want to know what my experience was with this. I went from 22% body fat to 12%, while still maintaining my weight, 260 pounds. Therefore, using this training method made me shed fat, while building muscle. I only used this for 12 weeks...the 6 weeks high protein diet, and then the low protein diet, etc.

Ask any questions, because I know there will be some. Hey, I met the 7:00 deadline :D

Valk
22nd March 2005, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by Uldie42

Here is the split I used, this split is so flexible, that if you missed a workout due to working too late, or having a cold or something, you can make it up on your off day...very good thing about flexibility.

Day 1: Shoulders
Day 2: Arms/Abs
Day 3: Legs
Day 4: Back
Day 5: Chest/Abs
Day 6: Off
Day 7: Off

For deadlifts, do them on leg days. Here is a list of the exercises you can choose from...this is all you need, don't try a variation or anything, just choose from this list.


Shoulders

Arnold Press
Twisting Dumbbell Military Press
Barbell Military Press
Dip Bar Shrug
Dumbbell Shrug
Side Dumbbell Lateral Raise
Cross Cable Lateral Raise
Front Dumbbell Lateral Raise
Lying Cable Pullover
Rear Dumbbell Lateral Raise
Rear Cable Lateral Raise
Internal Dumbbell Rotation

Arms

Assisted Close-Grip Chin Up
Weighted Dips
Weighted Close-Grip Push Up
Close-Grip Bench Press
Twisting Dumbbell Curl
Lying Dumbbell French Press
Twisting Dumbbell Kickback
Dumbbell Concentration Curl
Dumbbell Preacher Curl
Overhead Cable Extension
Barbell/EZ Bar Curl
Reverse-Grip Dumbbell Curl
Dumbbell Hammer Curl
Reverse-Grip Barbell Curl
Cable Press-Down
Reverse-Grip Cable Press-Down

Abs

Full Rotation Knee Raise
Hanging Knee Raise
Hanging Leg Raise
Exer-Ball Dumbbell Crunch
Lying Leg Raise
Bent Leg Crunch
Twisting Crunch
Superman

Legs

Barbell Squat
Deadlift
Forward Dumbbell Lunge
Backward Dumbbell Lunge
Leg Extension
Seated Leg Curl
Lying Leg Curl
Standing Calf Negatives
Donkey Calf Negatives
Seated Calf Negatives

Back

Assisted Wide-Arm Chin Up
Assisted Chin Up
Hanging Row
Wide-Arm Lat Pull Down
Close-Grip Lat Pull Down
Twisting Dumbbell Row
Jockey Row
Wide-Arm Cable Row
Close-Grip Cable Row
Straight-Arm Pull Down
High Pull
Reverse Back Extension

Chest

Weighted Incline Push Up
Weighted Dip
Incline Dumbbell Press
Dumbbell Press
Smith/Dumbbell Press To Neck (This works your upper chest like a CHARM)
Incline Bench Press
Bench Press
Incline Dumbbell Flye
Dumbbell Flye
Dumbbell Pullover
Dumbbell Front Lateral Raise (Palms Up)
Low Cross Cable Raise (Palms Down)

Remember to SUPERSET!

clim_1988
16th June 2005, 05:40 AM
Is there any variation for this if I wasn't able to work out 5 days a week? and how can i measure how much protein i eat in like... steak? :P

Bobo
16th June 2005, 09:10 AM
Uldie42?

Clockers
16th June 2005, 11:14 AM
I think my work'outs are doing just find not saying oldies fast mass isn't good/great. :mrgreen I'am sure it is, but it's just that every'one needs to do there home'work then try differ ones to find out which routine works best for them. :cool


It does look good though maybe i will play around with this aswell.. :mrgreen

Clockers
16th June 2005, 11:54 AM
This may help,

Depend'ing on your work'outs (routine) you need time to heal so you can grow' this we already know, so depend'ing on how hard some'one works there (body) here is a resting/healing chart, you should use this. :D It is very important to your body. :cool

Training Load of Ones Workout Restoration Time (Hours)


Extreme >72
Large 48-72 (right now this is me) :mrgreen
Substantial 24-48
Medium 12-24
Small <12


But i only do the 48 hour healing sometimes i will go to the 72. :cool

Valk
16th June 2005, 12:04 PM
I believe you grow after you have healed not during the healing process, so after the healing period the body still needs some time to supercompensate, thus to make your muscles bigger and stronger.

Valk
16th June 2005, 12:11 PM
Is there any variation for this if I wasn't able to work out 5 days a week? and how can i measure how much protein i eat in like... steak? :P

For food indexes go to this place (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/nutrient.htm) and scroll down a bit.

I think the actual training program is less important then the phases of the program. Just pick a 3 or 4-day split

Bobo
16th June 2005, 06:17 PM
I believe you grow after you have healed not during the healing process, so after the healing period the body still needs some time to supercompensate, thus to make your muscles bigger and stronger.
Actually, it's during the healing period. When You workout, You break the muscle cells with the strain, and when they heal they get a bit stronger every time.

Valk
16th June 2005, 06:28 PM
So when you're done healing, you're done growing?

clim_1988
16th June 2005, 07:34 PM
yeah i'm pretty sure thats what happens... because when your body is rebuilding your muscle tissues, that is when you gain mass/strength. So would this work effectively if i were to work out every other day?

Valk
16th June 2005, 08:28 PM
Depends on if you use a split or not. Most people use a split where they train each bodypart once a week. If you keep atleast 4/5 days between training the same bodypart, I wouldnt worry about overtraining.

Bobo
16th June 2005, 09:10 PM
So when you're done healing, you're done growing?
In a nutshell, yes. But remember: You're not totally healed when the soreness is gone, and that's why it's good to take longer breaks too every now and then to heal better. Less is more, my friend. :mrgreen

Bobo
16th June 2005, 09:14 PM
Most people use a split where they train each bodypart once a week.
That's the way to train harder -> break more muscle cells. People who train every muscle in one session should keep it alot lighter (if done every other day for example) or it will be overtraining -> not enough healing time -> poor gains. See a pattern here? PE'ing isn't much different than body building, the same rules apply.

MagnumXL
17th June 2005, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by Uldie42
In my 20+ years, I've made great gains


Didnt you say you were 19? Does your age keep changing with every post?

'TheBugKahuna'
17th June 2005, 06:16 AM
When did Oldie ever say he was 19, Magnum?

Clockers
17th June 2005, 10:41 AM
He didn't, :?

Shane_Bos
17th June 2005, 01:45 PM
Apart from when he was 19, but we didnt know him then. Well, I didnt atleast.

Bobo
17th June 2005, 03:08 PM
How clever, Shane! :lol:

'TheBugKahuna'
17th June 2005, 04:37 PM
:lol:

Baseballer8
18th June 2005, 03:39 AM
Does anybody have the article on strength training that was posted in the old forum?

clim_1988
20th June 2005, 08:40 PM
is it the same sort of plan?

pairofshorts
1st July 2005, 10:33 PM
Sounds good ill try it just gotta figure out how to eat 30 grams of protein. That is gonna be harder then eating 300 grams lol

clim_1988
3rd July 2005, 03:55 AM
yeah thats what i was thinking about also hahah. any luck with a diet? mind sharing ^^? pls n thankyou.

Godma
3rd July 2005, 04:05 AM
No idea why this is in Gen PE...

clim_1988
7th July 2005, 08:45 PM
btw, does this routine work if you dont increase the weight weekly?

Valk
7th July 2005, 09:49 PM
Do you mean not changing the weight at all? Or do you mean changing it every fortnight for example?

Look, it isnt good if you increase the weight but in reality you're not ready for it yet. Then your form will suffer and you'll accomplish nothing.
But...increasing should be one of your top priorities. You cant train with the same poundages for months and expect to make gains.

Clockers
8th July 2005, 12:13 AM
I've been doing it for almost 3 months now and i'am still gaining, i just add another rep to my sets haven't added any'more weight to my routine yet. :cool

Shane_Bos
8th July 2005, 07:55 PM
Sounds good ill try it just gotta figure out how to eat 30 grams of protein. That is gonna be harder then eating 300 grams lol

Buy a protein supplement if you dont get enough in your diet.

Bobo
8th July 2005, 08:18 PM
I don't think that's what he meant...

Shane_Bos
8th July 2005, 08:31 PM
:puke: O well

clim_1988
12th July 2005, 09:36 PM
do any of you still work out when you are still sore?

Valk
12th July 2005, 09:37 PM
Not me, if you're still sore your body hasnt healed yet.

Bobo
12th July 2005, 09:49 PM
If You can still feel the previous workout in Your muscles, it's too soon to train again.

Shane_Bos
13th July 2005, 12:18 AM
You need time to heal!

Clockers
13th July 2005, 03:23 AM
Time is the key.

zwmusic
13th July 2005, 03:26 AM
The time keeper just said it.

poopsauce
30th June 2006, 04:58 AM
Why am i not surprised that a fellow bodybuilder is stuck in the 70s with that HIT work 1 muscle group a day mike mentzer crap...


Common man, get with times. Do some more research on the dual-factor hypertrophy theory.

Shane_Bos
30th June 2006, 11:44 AM
Hypertrophy builds mass but little strength. For anyone training for a purpose (ie sports performance or something) and not just to look better, its a waste of time.

poopsauce
30th June 2006, 03:17 PM
Hypertrophy builds mass but little strength. For anyone training for a purpose (ie sports performance or something) and not just to look better, its a waste of time.

ya, but this thread is titled for mass

zwmusic
30th June 2006, 03:25 PM
One could also call this... mass. :lol:

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