The race to 8"

[Officespace2801]

Scroll down if you want to see my new workout/thoughts on PE.

I'm measuring every four weeks. I think it would be too hard to do exactly every month, as during the week things come up a lot easier which might inhibit my ability to get a full erection. So every fourth Sunday night seems to work a lot better.

My stats:

Starting Measurement.
BP Erect length: 17.8cm/7"
Erect girth: 12.4cm/4.9"est
Volume: 13.37cubic inches
Volume gain: -.--

Nov 20, 2005
BPEL: 18.3cm/7.2"
Erect Girth: 13cm/5.1"est
Volume: 14.90cubic inches
Volume gain: 1.53

Dec 19, 2005
BPEL: 18.8cm/7.4"
Erect Girth: 13.3cm/5.25"est
Volume: 16.17cubic inches
Volume gain: 1.27

Jan 29, 2006
BPEL: 19.3cm/7.6"
Erect Girth: 13.8cm/5.43"
Volume: 17.83cubic inches
Volume gain: 1.66

Feb 27, 2006
BPEL: 19.7cm/7.75"
Erect Girth: 14cm/5.5"
Volume: 18.65cubic inches
Volume gain: .82

April 2, 2006
BPEL: 19.5cm/7.68"
Erect Girth: 14.6cm/5.75" :shock:
Volume: 20.2cubic inches
Volume gain: 1.55

April 30, 2006
BPEL: 19.9cm/7.83"
Erect Girth: 14.9cm/5.87"
Volume: 21.47cubic inches
Volume gain: 1.27

TOTAL GAINS
Length: 2.1cm/.83"
Girth: 2.5cm/.97"
Volume: 8.10cubic inches

******RESTARTING SIZE*******
July 19, 2006
BPEL: 19.4cm/7.62"
Erect Girth: 14.2cm/5.6"
Volume: 19.02cubic inches

Aug 20, 2006 (after 'Hell Month')
BPEL: 19.7cm/7.75"
Erect Girth: 14.5cm/5.7"
Volume: 20.04cubic inches
Volume gain: 1.02

Restarted Oct 23, 2006
BPEL: Didn't check
Erect Girth: 14.2cm/5.6"

Nov 19, 2006
BPEL: 20.1cm/7.9"
Erect Girth: 14.6cm/5.75"
Volume: 20.78cubic inches
Volume gain: .74

Dec 24, 2006
BPEL: 20.6cm/8.125"
Erect Girth: 15cm/5.9"
Volume: 22.51cubic inches
Volume gain: 1.73

January 19, 2007
BPEL: 21cm/8.3"
Erect Girth: 15.2cm/6"
Volume: 23.77cubic inches
Volume gain: 1.26

****RESTARTING (AGAIN) SIZE****
December 19, 2007
BPEL: 19.7cm/7.75"
Erect Girth: 14.2cm/5.6"
Volume: 19.34cubic inches

****Total Gains (Overall)****
Length: 1.9cm/.75"
Girth: 1.8cm/.7"
Volume: 6cubic inches

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Final Goal
NBPEL: 7.5"
EG: 6"

[BIGOKE]

5.4 girth wow. Nice lngth too. Welcome and good luck with the length gains.

[Shane_Bos]

Welcome mate, nice starting stats, these diaries do help to keep you motivated, cos then you know we will kick your ass if you dont PE :twisted:

[Officespace2801]

Well bigoke, remember that I have had some experience with PE before. So I'm not going to pretend that's what I was born with.

[G-Spot19]

Nice current states. So what did you start with and how much have you gained since?

[wern]

Great starting stats. I am sure with persistence you will go very far. Welcome and good luck!!

[Officespace2801]

I'd say I gained about half an inch previously, maybe slightly more. Probably around the same with girth.

Well, this week went well except for today. Now, I know that this may seem like the typical falling off the schedule, but rather I think today was necessary.

Normally I do PE in the morning with a shower, but I had some things to do so I could go hang out with my ex. So, I just intended on doing it in the evening. But, my ex didn't want to part ways or something, so I ended up spending all evening with her. Normally, I would've just ended the night so I could go do this, but, I'm rather proud to say that I ended up nailing her, so I really think it was worth it.

So, if I was going to have some free time this weekend, I would just push off today's workout until say tomorrow. But nope, can't do that with all the things I'm slated to do. So here I am, at a quarter til 4 in the morning, just about to go off and do my PE exercise. Due to the fact that I'm going to wake up about 3 hours after this, I'm sort of just going to do a barebones beginners routine; a warmup, a quality stretch, and about 100 wet jelqs. Not exactly the workout I wanted, but something's better than nothing.

[G-Spot19]

Yes it isCongrats on the fuck by the way :wink:

[Officespace2801]

Well this is being resurrected. I've been hanging around CC a whole lot more now, so I figure I might as well keep the journal going.

Unfortunately, when I moved back into school in September, I fell off the PE workouts. It wasn't a complete fall, some weeks I'd get a workout or two in, but it was inconsistent and the mindset just wasn't there. I sort of arbitrarily restarted about 3 weeks ago, and with frequent visits to CC and making this a real priority in my life, I actually look forward to the workouts. It's been a real change for me.

My goals have slightly changed. I still want an 8" in the end, but I sort of have a mid-term goal on the in between. I've put on some weight and now the fat-pack around my penis is about an inch thick now. When I was in better shape (no six-pack or anything, just better shape), it was only .5 inches. So now I have around 6.25 inches of usable dick. My mid-term goal is to have 7 inches. I hope to do this by increasing the size of my dick and losing some fat. I figure if I just gain .25 inches and go back to my original size, I'm already there!

I may add more thoughts in new posts, but I'm going to keep all of my measurements in the first. In just 9 days, I will have my first month's measurement up!

[Bobo]

By "holds" on line three I guess You mean stretches?

Go easy on the "War-holds" if You have only been PE'ing for three weeks after the pause, they're even more extreme than regular holds so be careful not to hurt Yourself.

Good luck, Sir! :D

[Officespace2801]

Well, new stats are up after 4 weeks. Realistically, I should be pleased with the results...but somehow I'm not. I think it's just a case of what I want in the end feels so far away. I mean, at the rate I'm going, it will take 4 more months to get an 8 incher. I'm not giving up, and like I said, I know realistically my progress is quite good, but I guess this feeling is just the product of an instant-gratification culture.

The only good bit of news to come out of today was that I bought a ruler to do this (exciting, I know). No, the part that pleased me was something I realized after I measured. So I got my results, and for some reason I just started looking at the ruler...after I was done, of course. Anyway, before I had used a tape measurer to do this. Well, I realized the ruler has about a 1/8th of an inch at the beginning which it doesn't measure. Putting the ruler side by side with the tape measurer, it confirmed it. So I might be an 1/8th of an inch longer than I stated. But when you're dealing with rather finicky thing like the penis, I'm not quite ready to add the difference into my actual size.

But I did get some bad news today. Granted, I knew it was there, I just didn't realize how bad it had gotten. I checked my weight and bodyfat percentage today...not good at all. My bodyfat is 16.5% now. So I really need to start exercising and eating better. I've done it before (went from about 16% to 11% in 2-3 months earlier this year), so I have full confidence I can do it. I mean, this really hit me like a ton of bricks...I usually say I'm a pop (soda, for everyone else) addict, but I can honestly say I didn't want a drop today.

So, to go along with me PE gains, I'm intending to use this journal to sort of track my weight loss. I said my mid-term goal was a 7" usable dick, and I'd like to get there by mid-January, maybe even before the new year.

In a final bit to cheer myself up, I shall regail you with the story of last weekend. So I went to visit my (female) friend at another university. After a heavy night of drinking, she wanted to fool around and took off my pants. I was very heartened to hear, "Wow my name here, I didn't realize you were so big." Of course, I had to "add" to the moment with a rather drunken statement, so I'll end the story here.

[Officespace2801]

Well, it's sort of the midpoint between measurings and I just felt like writing something.

Thanksgiving week was rough when it came to PE, as visiting family allows for less opportunities. Since I'm a MWF kind of guy, I ended up missing Wednesday's workout due to travel. On Friday, I just wasn't in the mood. So I made the decision to push it back a day, effectively creating a SMWF workout week. But all those went well. I'm really trying to cut back on trying to do other things, such as reading, while doing my workouts. I find myself really focusing on technique when I'm not distracted.

Although I do have a bit of a sin to admit. During the first month of this, I was very good about not measuring. I just had to measure today for some reason. I won't post the results, as they aren't official and I shouldn't have done it anyway. But I will say that it looks to be a good month. Even if I hadn't measured, I can really begin to feel the difference. My dick just feels a lot bigger, and I'm beginning to see a difference in length even without a ruler.

I still really need to drop some of this fat, though. Oh well....in 16 days I'll have another official measuring. I can't wait.

[Officespace2801]

New stats up tonight.

This is the first time outside of a science class that I measured something in metric. But I think I sort of prefer doing my measuring in metric, then converting it. If I measure in inches, there's just a lot of pressure and desire to cheat to meet a goal inside my head. When I'm in metric, I tend to be more honest because I have absolutely no idea how big 19cm is or whatnot, so there's no pressure.

With the holidays coming up, it seems like a good time to take a little break, even though I haven't plateaued. This week will have two light days, next week will be completely off, and the last week before I return to university will have one or two light days to get started back up.

So my next measuring day looks to be February 5th, 2006. That seems awfully far away.

I must say that I'm rather pleased with my gains. I was worried that due to my past PE experience, my gains would be considerly slower. I'm just sort of in shock at how much extra girth I've gotten. Based off this rate, I can expect to reach my goal April 5th, 2006.

[Officespace2801]

The brutal truth.

So today I had some free time because the girl I was supposed to go out with came down with a fever, so I decided to do something PE related. After a nice, quality workout, I decided (for some unknown reason) to cut up strips of paper and taping them into circles so I could get an idea of how big I am compared to the average and what I used to be.

Well, I did one for my "current" size and it looked a little big. I remeasured- the ruler wasn't lieing to me or anything, so I decided to go check it. I got an erection- this piece of paper was considerbly bigger than me. I grabbed the old shoelace I'm using to measure, checked it out...said I was a bit over 5.75. This really didn't add up.

I cut up a strip of paper and used that to measure....I was half an inch shorter! I didn't think it would matter what you used to measure, so long as it could wrap around your dick. Well, that's not the case apparently.

This is extremely disappointing for me. While I wanted to get more length, I thought was above average in girth so any gains there were just a bonus. Now I just feel small.

But there is good news...

1) I tested this on several other things I had laying around (a used toilet paper roll, can of soup, and a roll of packaging tape). All of those things varied considerbly in size, but the difference between measuring it with a strip of paper and the shoelace was always half an inch. That leads me to believe...

2) My girth gains are probably real. I know my length are for sure, but this sort of led me to question if I even had girth gains. I am growing at a pretty damn good rate, so even if I'm just a little above average now, I can still become big. It will just take a bit more time.

3) I'm a rather conservative person. I measure mid-shaft, my thinnest point. 5.25" isn't that bad if that's the case.

While it's rather heartbreaking news for me, I've accepted it to be the case. I never intended to lie to myself. I'm sort of glad I had found out- what if I had thought I was at 6" and then decided to cut out my girth exercise?

So from here out out, I'm posting the shoelace size and the paper size for consistency. If you are like I was and measuring with something other than a piece of paper/really thin string/ a tailor's measuring tape, you might want to go back and do it again. It's disappointing at first, but it's better than lieing to yourself.

[The Big Banana]

A shoelace isnt flat, especially if its one of the round ones. The thickness of the shoelace would add to the girth measurement, although I admit I'm surprised it was 0.5".

If you were using the shoelace in the beginning then your girth gains are real, you just started off smaller than you thought.

I personally believe that you should count the thickest point that isnt the very base as your girth. For me that just happens to be midshaft, but if you get your midshaft up to 6.5" and the glans is 7" thats probably going to be a little uncomfortable for your girlfriend.

[Spike]

If your shoelace is more than 0.08" (2mm) thick it would add up to more than ½" of girth.

5.75" divided by pi = 1.83"
5.25" divided by pi = 1.67"

Difference in diameter of 0.16"

Even a cloth tape will be lying. The thinnest paper you can find will be the most accurate.

[The Big Banana]

If you purchase reasonable quality paper, it should tell you how thick it is. For example my paper is 193µm, which should be 0.193mm if my maths is holding out. You could remove added girth from the paper from your final figure.

I cant be bothered though.

[Officespace2801]

Well Spike, your math happens to add up correctly!

I didn't think it would really matter when I decided to use the shoelace. I just figured it was the easiest thing I had laying around.

Oh well, I've cut up a strip of paper that's 6" long and marked off where I am at the moment. Once the paper doesn't wrap around, then I've hit my goal. But I've got to say, it's amazing how much half an inch girth more really is. If I could maintain my present growth, it'll be roughly late May/early June before I hit my goal. That's still not too bad.

Thanks for the insight guys. But all this makes me wonder, why the hell do I HAVE to wear Magnums if I was only average? Seriously, I broke through regular condoms frequently, and Magnums were alwas a good fit. But, that's a question to ponder on my own time.

[footballlax]

hey i was wondering if i should take a day off in between workouts. I was planning on Monday, wednesday, friday and sunday please let me know if thats something that improves results

[Officespace2801]

hey i was wondering if i should take a day off in between workouts. I was planning on Monday, wednesday, friday and sunday please let me know if thats something that improves results

Well I'm not sure if my diary is the exact best place to ask this...but, I do a MWF routine. But some people think 5 on 2 off is better. PE is sort of an art at this point, so you'll have to experiment. My recommendation is to start with less (MWF) and if you think your penis can handle it, add in an extra day.

[Officespace2801]

New stats are up. I redid the tracking part, putting cm first since that's what I measure in (even though I have no concept of how long 18cm of whatever is) and added volume to the mix. Still making steady gains- in fact, they even picked up a bit this month!

I think I'm going to hit my interim goal for girth at next month's measuring. But length will probably be another month on top of that.

Thanks to Netgear for the chart. I don't necessarily agree with its classifications of satisfying and such, but it's nice to have a bit of a visual representation of the changes.

Next month is a short month for me- I have a week-long conference to attend for my university at the end, so I'm just going to measure after three weeks. Maybe the gains won't be as great, but that's ok. See you again on February 18th!

[Clockers]

Congrats on the gains 2801. :cool

[Officespace2801]

Thanks Clockers- with the numbers of views of my diary so high and the posts so low, I was beginning to think everyone hated me. :neut:

[zwmusic]

We don't hate you Office. I myself hardly come to this forum nowadays. You're doing a damn good job there. Your length stat is just like mine now, I better get my ass... errrmm... dick to the bathroom NOW... :lol:

Congrats buddy. :cool

[The Big Banana]

with the numbers of views of my diary so high and the posts so low, I was beginning to think everyone hated me. :neut:

Your page view to post ratio isnt out of the ordinary. A lot of members dont ever post and also guests probably add to the page views as well.

[Wannabe_BIG]

So you have gained 1,4 cm in girth? That sounds really great. Have you noticed the difference in sex or?

Nice going, I had to post here, since you complained about so few posting in your diary :cool

Good job, and keep going !! :D

[Bobo]

Wow, nice gains, man! Congratulations on job well done! :cool

[Officespace2801]

Thanks Bobo...you jedis are alright. :P I hope your return to PE gets you even better gains.

And Wannabe, unfortunately I haven't had any sex since I started PEing :x , so I don't really know. My hand sure enjoys the newer size! Seriously though, I can really feel a difference.

[Netgear]

officespace, could you explain your 'War-hold'. THanks

[Mr. D]

with the numbers of views of my diary so high and the posts so low, I was beginning to think everyone hated me. :neut:

Now you made me feel guilty:( :lol:
Congrats with the gains, 1,4 cm in girth is great.

[BIGOKE]

Congrats on the gains Officespace. Great Girth I am jealous, so I go PE now.

[Officespace2801]

Netgear-

All you seek can be found here:

http://www.cheekycherry.com/ccforums/showthread.php?t=1691

Mr D-

You should feel guilty. :P Thanks.

Bigoke-

At the rate you gain PEing (when you do it consistently, it seems), I won't be surprised if you beat me to 6" of girth!

[BIGOKE]

You are too kind. Unfortunately for me girth has stopped almost. :(

[Officespace2801]

Well, I didn't sift through all of your diary, but if your routine is the same as it is on the first page, maybe you should try some holds. I've started to add a set of them in one day a week, just to see if it's going to do anything for me.

[BIGOKE]

I sorta do them now and again, but my routine changes almost every session because I am inconsistent with training days. So some days when it looks short I concentrate on length, and other days when it looks thin i concentrate on girth. So i am no longer a poster boy for PE. :cry:

[Netgear]

thanks office, v. helpful :D

[Officespace2801]

Well, I've done 3 full weeks (plus one additional day) of PE. I have some stuff out of town for the rest of the week, plus spring break next week, so this is where it ends for this month. My dick feels like it needs the break- the workouts are great, but short of getting jerked off, my erections probably aren't what they could be.

I will report back Sunday with my measurements, right on schedule. I think I have some gains this month, but I think they're much smaller this time around.

[Officespace2801]

New measurements are up. :)

Now, it might look like my gains have tapered off, but remember this is based off one week shorter than most months. That would make the rate of length gains exactly the same as it had been every other month (.05" per week).

Girth wise, I think I measured wrong last month. The next day after measuring, I tried it again (after all, it was a huge gain) and couldn't repeat that size. So I'm not very worried that it seems smaller than before since I'm pretty sure last month might've been a bit "generous."

I start back up on the 6th at the latest, but might get a warm-up one in this Friday.

[Codzilla]

Very nice indeed ofice. Great to see you're gaining fantastically. Are you gona carry on when you reach your goals or stay at that size???

[Officespace2801]

Hmmm, I guess I'm going to play it by ear, really.

Since it looks like I'll hit my length goal before my girth goal, I wouldn't be surprised if I did my entire workout like normal until I hit my girth goal (thus pushing my length even further). But after that? Probably not.....law of diminishing returns, I guess. 30-40 min, 3 days a week isn't a lot really, but after I'm 8x6"...then it probably will be less worthwhile for me to do.

[Officespace2801]

Today I decided to cut out my 5 minutes of wet jelqs. Since I began doing some holds, I noticed my desire to PE had dropped considerbly. Reflecting, I just felt my routines were getting too long and that was the exercise that I felt was doing the least for me. So we'll see how the gains work out for this month.

At least I didn't completely fall off the bandwagon after my break like a lot of PEers do. But I just enjoy the meatiness of my dick now too much to stop! :D

Best of gains to all.

[Officespace2801]

New stats up....sort of.

The length is the more questionable of the two. I think I was a bit too excited down there. By the time I got to measuring length, I was either rock hard but on the verge of cumming or having it subside. So, as it stands, I lost .07" of length. To be honest, I did expect to lose some length. I just don't know what it was, but it seemed like after my last measurement, I couldn't get an erection bigger than January's measurement. Maybe it's because I didn't have my ruler and had to use something else, so I just had a bad measurement (and in turn, didn't gain between Jan-Feb). So basically, I'm going to get it up before my workout tomorrow and remeasure- if it's different, I'll change it.

Who knows...we'll see where it is next month.

Girth is looking real good! Want to know why I put up the ":shock:" face? It was sort of hard to read where the end of the paper was on the ruler. I took the more conservative of the two...so it actually might be a little bigger. It feels REALLY meaty now. :twisted:

Routine was actually sort of bad this last month. First two weeks were ho-hum; I did the workouts, but without enthusiasm that's driven me in previous months. The 3rd week I missed Friday's session. And then the last week was put off because I couldn't get my ex to leave my dorm. So I had to totally rework it by doing it Tuesday morning, Wednesday late night, and Friday mid-day so I could measure with proper rest. It was rough.

Doesn't look like I'm going to reach my interim length goal, though. :( But I blew past my girth goal! :mrgreen

Hopefully this month will bring more great gains. :cool

EDIT: Oh, and I should mention. I should be on the big gainers list now! But I'll wait until I'm ready to retire for that...

[soserious]

It doesn`t look like you do much wetjelqs or jelqs at all, is this so? You do what, mostly holds and stretches? Warholds are??

[Officespace2801]

I used to do 250-300 wet jelqs every workout prior to this last month. But since I had just started adding holds, I found my workouts becoming a drag to do because they were getting to like 45 minutes and that's just too much.

So I cut out the wet jelqs (never did dry). So pretty much all I do are stretches and holds. A warhold is essentially a cross between a jelq and a hold. There's a pretty big thread about it on General PE (called something like "So young grasshoppa, you want a bigger penis?") that explains it better, but basically you get an erection, grab at the base like a hold, and then do a slow jelq with your other hand.

I've seen you posting up a lot of questions about people's PEing habits SS; you thinking about giving it another go?

[soserious]

Thats interesting thanks for the response.
Those warholds- I think I tried something like that a few times and man it was too painful like the veins were going to rupture.
I am trying to realy understand how it all works , why it works, where it works and why for soem it barely or totally doesn`t work.
Am I thinking of giving it another go? If I thought I could gain even 1 inch over another year of toil I would do it (since I started Jan 2004 and stopped and started and stopped ect I have not had any success.)
I AM thinking a lot though about what is liekly to make it more successful such as erection percentage and hwo to tell the right percentage by visual and physical cues. Also the structure of the penis itself and how gains might come from the tunica (I mean HOW), this then relates to erection percentage and technique. However just because soem gain with bad technique is not a reflection on all the components. (Ever read Stuart Mcroberts "BRAWN" or "BEYOND BRAWN"? I want to eventually write something similar in the opening chapters where he outlines why and how some people gain and others don`t and state that just because on eperson may gain a lot doesn`t make them an expert and doesn`t mean that they are any more or less hardworking).

Maybe I might try again, god knows I would be smiling from ear to ear for like a long time if I could gain even an inch. But the reality is that it is unlikely that I will gain anything in length or girth from any pe routine. Sigh.

[Officespace2801]

The warholds are pretty intense, I must say. After Wargasim posted it, I think I was the only person to use it until I posted a link to it in my thread. Now it seems like everyone's doing it. But it seems as if some people are taking it to the extreme- people are doing 5 sets of 10 jelqs, working their way towards 10 sets. I do ONE set of 10 and I must say my dick is rather tired.

I've never read either of those, but it seems as if you're trying to turn PE into more of a science with a lot of your questions. If that's the case, I'm glad someone else is at least interested in trying to do so. I find my experiences in PE tend to go against a lot of the advice given on these boards. And I agree that just because you've done something doesn't make you an expert on the area. But I have to admit, it's hard for me to imagine this not working for anyone because it's worked so well for me. I'm not saying it doesn't happen- it's just a bit harder to accept.

If I am reading you correctly about trying to figure out what makes people successful, may I make a suggestion? The polls are ok to get a general feel for what the CC community is doing, but it might be better to have a single thread where you have people post a full profile of information based off what you want to know. Sort of like this:

Months of PEing:
Length gains:
Girth gains:
Number of workouts per week:
Split workout?:

ect ect, depending on what you want to know

I've considered doing it myself, but I always end up feeling too new around here to be get a significant response. But I think you could generate enough responses.

I hope your research goes well. But I think you should finish that before you consider another PE regimen. You seem to be enjoying this, so maybe it will inspire you to give it another go. :cool

[soserious]

It`s really tricky to get all that kind of information together- what we do have is a pool of experiences and data that will be useful as more information is colated and explored. I am holding off making big threads about it yet rather I am reading, thinking and such.

I am trying to get away from the unscientific biased blanket statements and tired rhetoric that so many people spew in an almost automatic fashion, there have been many threads that attempted such a thing and ended up heated and useless and they just sunk..

I also wouldn`t say that I enjoy it exactly but I don`t like being fucked by something like this- I want to be able to see what it is, call it by its name and bring it out into the cold clinical light before I finish it once and for all.
What I may do is make a thread that has links to all the other threads of interest so that I can quickly locate in the future.
I also have a few theories that I may need to test out.

Btw is your measurments BP or NPB?

ss

[Officespace2801]

My measurements are BP. Unfortunately, I have a rather deep fat pack, so that significantly cuts into my size. Since I'm graduating in just under 3 weeks, I'm just trying to ride it out and get back in shape over the summer. It's just damn impossible to eat healthy while on campus, unfortunately.

Just out of curiousity, what kinds of things do you find people saying that you believe to be unscientific and not true? I'm also interested in hearing some of your theories; I have some of my own, but I'm not sure if I've been around long enough to have seen enough where I feel confident outright announcing them (even though then they'd still just be theories).

If I get some more gains this month, especially in the length department, I would be more than happy to help you test any theories. I figure if I crack 7.8 in length and 5.8 or so, I can put that last little bit off and do something to help. Well, unless you ask me to do something dangerous....

[soserious]

No, nothing extreme. I am mainly looking at the details.
My fat pad is not far off an inch..
There is no reason why you can`t discuss your thoughts and theories- you have just as much right as anyone. Time is not always a factor. One can be a postman for 25 years- and be as bad at it as they were 25 years ago..


Just out of curiousity, what kinds of things do you find people saying that you believe to be unscientific and not true?
Well, lots of people tend to regurgitate what they have heard and assume that it must be true, and if anyone challenges this they get upset rather than thinking it through- like for example the incorrectly stated "fact" that all mens penis tissues are the same. They are clearly not, even to me. Since the main components of tendons for example are elastin and collagen. If a guy has a relatively high percentage of elastin in hes penis - especially the central tendon (which largely determines erection length) then he will gain faster and ultimatley more than a guy who has a much higher collagen ratio. For one..
Yet you will see guys on forums with little or no medical education state as if their life depended on it that "all dicks are the same." This talk is penis adaptation in the dark ages.... just doing what everyone else does and pray for the magic to work for them too..

Often enough it will work but when it doesn`t they are at a loss other than "user error" because in truth they can`t explain it any other way. This too is often false and not user error at all.
This equals frustration all round.

[Officespace2801]

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[Officespace2801]

I'm baaaaacckkk!!!!!

Well, I sort of fell off the face of the planet around my last measurement. I graduated from college that day, and have been relaxing all summer with intentions of getting back into PE. But the past three weeks have been EXTEREMELY hectic, so it kept getting delayed. But no more!

Since my last measurement, I did PE sort of half-assed for about 2 weeks, then I realized how burned out I was. I had a damn good run, though, and made some great gains. Since then, I have lost a bit of size- had I known I was going to take a break, I would've allowed for about a month of lighter workouts to keep my gains. So I'm about 1/8" less in length and lost 1/4" in girth, though I think my previous girth measurements had been a little low towards the base of my cock (where it's thicker). Either way, I'm sure some size had been lost, but now I'm sure of my numbers and can proceed with confidence.

Tomorrow and Saturday will be "warm-up" days: just some light stretching and jelqing to get me going again. On Monday, my real workouts begin. I'm probably not going to do what's listed on the first page as of today, but will consider what exactly over the weekend.

I hope to gain an 1/8" in both length and girth over the next month, because after that, my PE schedule will be thrown off course again. I'm moving to another country, and until I get adjusted, I'm worried about PEing.

It feels great to be back.

[Axlerod]

Good to have you back Office. Seems there's something of a revival happening just now. People that had disappeared coming back, lots of newbies, etc.

Where are you moving to? What's your living situation going to be like?

[Officespace2801]

Yeah, I noticed 1BigDong had just returned, as well as you. Nice to see a revival and all, but now I feel a little less special in my return. :P

Anyway, I'm moving to China. While I'll have my own apartment, I do know that my ability to do basic things like buy groceries amongst other things will be radically different, and thus I won't feel like I have a very good routine in the beginning which may bog down PE. Plus it's the first time I'm going to have a job in my life where I can't just call off whenever I want (I teach at a university). It's a very big change for me.

I still feel lame for not achieving my goals before stopping. But I'm back to finish it off!

[Officespace2801]

It's taken forever to get back at this after Hell Month, but here I am again! I just can't seem to accept anything less than 8x6"- maybe that's good, but I'm starting to think it's borderline obsession :?.

I was going to try my 'new approach to PE' theory, but I've decided to instead return to my original routine (the very first one I started with on these boards). I found this workout to be very thorough but also lean at the same time. I really did make some great gains with it, and now I wonder if I shot myself in the foot by adding holds. At the time, people were really talking about them and I really wanted an 'advanced' technique despite making great progress with this workout.

My workout (again):
Warmup
(10) 30 second stretches, up and down
(5 minutes) wet jelqs
(10) Warholds, slight modified (10, 1 second jelqs instead of 10 second jelqs)
Massage cooldown

My stats don't seem to have changed at all, but I've only checked girth since I can't find my ruler anywhere (using a ruler on my comp for girth).

I've already completed one workout yesterday, so tomorrow will be number two. Just 11 more to go this month :). Measuring day is November 19th!

[Officespace2801]

Another month done of PE. It could have been better because I missed two days of workouts, but I'm still pleased with my gains.

Before I start in, I just want to say that I knew I gained before I measured tonight. The other day I got a hardon in the shower [yes, I'm sure you're all thrilled to know that] and I actually thought, "Hey, that actually looks kind of big!" Now, given that I've never seen another man's dick except in porno's, I've kind of considered myself average. But I hope I'm finally snapping this feeling average thing I have because I know that by the numbers, I'm a fairly large guy.

While I didn't check my length before restarting again, it didn't matter- I gained .2" even if I didn't lose any size during my break. To be honest, the measurement was actually bigger than what I listed, but I've decided to wait until next month before I claim to have an 8-incher.

Girth was a little disappointing- I lost a bit of size after Hell Month and gained it all back and then some. Still, it would have been nice to at least hit 5.8" so I could feel that I surely beat Hell Month despite any loss in size. If you're a newbie to PE, always do a maintenance routine or be prepared for potential losses. There's no sense in repeating a mistake like this.

My current routine (aka the original one) just seems to work well for me- I have absolutely no idea why. I'm not highly recommending it to anyone, but if the other routines haven't been working...well, why not? Perhaps it will do the trick. But if you are gaining reasonably well with another routine, don't change! This one MIGHT work better for you, but it could also do nothing for you. Don't take the risk.

I think with two more months of solid workouts, I will have achieved my goals. Then it's just a matter of getting on a maintenance routine to solidify the gains.

[bubbahotep]

congrats officespace! those are great gains, keep it all up!

by the way, what is/was Hell Month?

[Officespace2801]

Hell Month was an attempt to get many people (though in reality only about 5 finished) to do the same routine for a single month to track gains. The workout was really intense (takes me less than 25 minutes to do this one, but more than hour to do that one) and every workout day we sort of reported in about whether it was a great, moderate, poor, or missed workout.

You can do a search on this forum and find the thread, which should link you to the thread. It's sort of the precursor to the 3 month workout going on now.

[bubbahotep]

ahhh, i see. i thought that it was something like that, thanks.

[Officespace2801]

"You are not human being.

You are so...so...so unnatural!"

Just quoted this so I wouldn't forget.

[JB22]

reaction from a girl?

[K-man]

/\ :lol: :lol: :lol:

(JB, your really whoring it up at the moment. Whats the occasion?)

[Officespace2801]

reaction from a girl?

Yeah. :D

And it's quoted accurately- poor grammar and all. I love Cheenglish (Chinese + English).

She thinks I had surgery or something- it's all natural baby...well, technically at least.

[Officespace2801]

BOOOYAAAAHHH!

Finally hit my length goal! :cheeky: And I'm just a tad under my girth goal....that could've gone either way, but I'm a bit conservative.

Although it would appear that this has been the single greatest month for gains for me, usually I do 4 weeks of workouts then measure....I sort of didn't realize that I passed that and this one was actually 5 weeks. But whatever, I'm too ecstatic because I can finally say I have an 8-incher!

So what's the plan from here on out? Well, I'm quite sure I'll put in another month to ensure that I hit 6" for girth. After that I know I'm going to have a small break because I'll be back in the US for two weeks and PE really shouldn't be my focus....but after that? I really don't know....I feel great that I hit my goal, but PE is still enjoyable for me. And it doesn't hurt to have a bit more, right? So even though I feel like I could stop if I wanted to, I don't believe I will. I remember I got burned out last year when I added an exercise which increased the time. With this ~25 minute workout I have (usually a bit less), I've never once felt like PE was a burden for me.

As happy as I am, there's a small part of me that is a bit sad. The first reason is that....well, you know that feeling you get after you accomplish something great, you think about how you got there and realize that you enjoyed getting there, not just the result? I kind of have that feeling- I know, it's a bit weird.

The other reason is that here I am with what I think is a pretty cool accomplishment, but more importantly, one that challenged me for an extended period of time. The exercises aren't difficult, but for me, doing something consistently and on schedule is damn near impossible. So I finally have proven that I can work to overcome my faults, but I have nobody to share it with. Ok, I have you fucknuts :P, but I'm just some faceless guy behind a computer and none of you may have known how hard this was for me. The people that really know me and I would really like to prove it to are people I don't think I could ever tell. So it remains a silent accomplishment. :neut:

[hugh g rection]

I like your routine, simple yet effective.

[Officespace2801]

Thanks hugh- it really is a great workout. I was stupid earlier this year when I added to it even though I was gaining well. I really thought doing holds was more "advanced" and I didn't want to feel like a newbie anymore.

[The Big Banana]

Congratulations and good luck for next months measurement. Nearly at your goal... what was your original size if you can remember, prior to any PE (which you advised that you did before you started here)? I just wanted to get an idea of your overall gains?

[Officespace2801]

Thanks TBB.

I'm about 90% sure that I gained half an inch in length during the first go with PE when I was 17.

However, I never took girth measurements. Before I came to this site, I never realized how important girth was....I just saw guys with long dicks in porn and wanted to gain length. Glad I discovered this place, which was a bit of luck. I probably didn't gain much if anything, though, because I was just doing stretches and wet jelqs....not exactly a girth workout.

So that would make 1.6" in gained in length and 1" (or more) in girth.

[EndorphinMachine]

Hi dude! Those are some farout gains!!! I wish I'll have ur luck! I am going to start my PE workout today!!

[hugh g rection]

Thanks hugh- it really is a great workout. I was stupid earlier this year when I added to it even though I was gaining well. I really thought doing holds was more "advanced" and I didn't want to feel like a newbie anymore.

Yes as I have said many times, I believe the reason people do not gain is lack of habit, technique, and warm up/warmdown. Complicated routines are not necessary, I've had the best success with simple ones.

[Clockers]

Looking good there Officespace2801. :wink:

[Officespace2801]

Just under .2" in length and .1" in girth.....I don't know if I should be happy or disappointed with myself.

Don't get me wrong- gains are gains...but if you'll notice the date, 4 weeks haven't even finished and I just decided to measure officially. I should've done 11 workouts in this month (today should be number 12)...I did 8.

So I got pretty good results for only 8 workouts over almost 4 weeks...why the hell did I miss so many damn days?! So yeah, I'm happy with the gains, but I sort of wonder what the situation would've been had I stuck to the routine better.

Anyway, I'm on an official break. I still plan to get at least one workout a week in, but it would probably be just the stretches and the warholds- sort of just to ensure that I keep my size. I know that the break will be at least 3 weeks because I will be going back to the US for a few weeks, so I have no intentions of PEing then. And when I get back, I might end up visiting friends around China, so that could extend my break up to 6 weeks...although it would be interesting to try to get a PE session in on a rickety train over a squatty potty. :lol:

I just hope I don't get lazy and end up on a 5 month break. :x

[K-man]

How's life OS, havent seen you in time mate. Hope you are well. :wink:

[Officespace2801]

I'm surprised anyone remembered me!

Things have been a little rough for me lately, but on the whole I can't complain.

I sort of needed time away from this site, as by the end of my last time here (April), I felt the forums had veered too far away from PE. But now that I'm PEing again, it seems like a good idea to come back here even if I have minimal participation.

I'm still hoping to achieve my ultimate goal before I hit 1000 posts. :P

[zwmusic]

Long time non see Office... I also kept away from CC for a while for personal reasons. I don't think the forums veered away from PE though. I think that we get caught doing too much chit chat and end up steering away and getting a bit distracted from PE, which is our main reason for being here. In my case, I've stopped PE beginning of this year - when I reached my goal... and to be honest, I was getting sick and tired of thinking penis all the time. But I do try to follow the General PE and Beginners Sections to give n00bs some advice. Check out my diary, I've posted two flaccid pictures lately to show the lads a little of my personal work. I'm very happy with that.

Welcome back mate.

[TheThreatdown]

I'm surprised anyone remembered me!

Things have been a little rough for me lately, but on the whole I can't complain.

I sort of needed time away from this site, as by the end of my last time here (April), I felt the forums had veered too far away from PE. But now that I'm PEing again, it seems like a good idea to come back here even if I have minimal participation.

I'm still hoping to achieve my ultimate goal before I hit 1000 posts. :P

I always envied you for living in China. Goddamn some of the women are unbelievable. Is it like Japan where a white guy can gets tons of easy pussy just for being "different"?

Good to have you back, I think the forums are PE driven these days as we've seen a lot of oldies back.

[zwmusic]

Yes, I had forgotten about that. We're in the same part of the world now...

[Valk]

Ehh....?

[G-Spot19]

Whats up OS. I been away from the forum forever as well. Not for the same reasons though. Mine are personal, not to do with the forums. Anyways, how is PE going?

[K-man]

Ehh....?

ZW is in asia now Valkie, keep up man!! :lol: :lol:

[zwmusic]

Valk knows that K. He's just surprised that I said it. :lol:

[K-man]

Fair enough, just trying to help!! :)